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How has this not been discussed at all? all us '03 parents are on the ledge trying to figure out who is going where so we know where the kids fit and play.
Shouldn't the 2003's already be finishing up their freshman year? I would think they should be settled in and have a pretty good perspective by now.
All prep players repeat so '03's will be incoming freshman. Hearing Sebs, Dexter and Rivers where all the kids heading
Are 03s going Prep? Many played FS or for their public. Would be interesting to see who is giving prep a go.
One additional thing. The 20 something volunteer asst coach with the Bauer sweat suit with the prep school name on it has no juice. It cracks me up to hear all these hockey experts criticizing hard working developing kids and pointing out the obvious puberty kid as the ‘ best ‘ kid out there. No sh88t Sherlock. These kids are 3 years into puberty while many have just started . Point out the kid that will be that kid in 5 years and only then will we listen. Truth is, these guys themselves were nowhere as skilled when they were 14/15 and at best played low level d3 college or club. For some reason, they lurk around the rinks putting together / coaching spring teams portraying themselves as hockey experts.
Might be time to get a 9-5 job and let these kid develop and find their way to a good spot.
All the more reason to play FS for a few years until they become the repeat JRs and SRs. Prep is obviously not a developmental path for a 15/16 and in some cases 17 year olds, they proved that this year with the 02-03 groups.
It is amazing how many people are uninformed on this issue. This last prep season there were 29 2003s on New England prep rosters, all freshmen except one 8th grader. There were 111 2002s, 50 sophomores and 61 freshmen. This includes all prep schools in New England
ushr.com website but it is a subscriber service.
The prep defenders (after all they're the ones needing to justify laying out the cash) will be quick to circle the 'it's all about the education! it's all about the education!' wagons but the problem with prep is the wide age differential. The incoming kid will be fighting for ice time and have his head rammed through the boards by a 19 year old PG man...and conversely the 19 year old man is playing against 15 year old children. And that's great for the 15 year old phenom or early puberty kid who is 6'2" 180 at 15 years old but as a true freshman it can have it's issues. FS teams get more of a level playing field.
And for 'it's all about the education! it's all about the education!' crowd then when the ultimate goal is reached and the kid gets a partial ride to a Hockey East school and he comes home and says 'mom & dad the good news is I get to play competitive hockey...but the bad news is, because the hockey demands are so great I think I will become a Communications major or a phy. ed major." Or the kid makes the almost ultimate goal and comes home and says, 'mom & dad the good news is I get to play competitive D-1 hockey...but the bad news is, the only places offering me a spot are places called Canisius College or Bemidji State." And then all of a sudden it's not 'all about the education.'
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Sparky your Rep tie might be tied just a little too tight - "100% of them will have Prep school graduate on their resume. Forever."
Name one person that has their high school education on their resume after the age of 21. 24 if the kid played college hockey. That is the stupidest thing posted here in a while and that is a challenge.
Brad vs Brad with their smoking jackets on
Taking into account the staggering number of private high school grads that attend selective colleges, it would be easy to conclude that going to a public school will be detrimental to your admissions chances. Yet, this would be a classic case of falling victim to selection bias. The vast majority of students at private schools (especially non-parochial ones) come from relatively affluent, educated families. To compare this set of students, with all of their inherent advantages and support networks to the general population would be absurd. In other words, the fact that 95% of prep school grads are college-bound compared to only 49% of public school grads has more to do with who attends private school than what the private school is actually doing for the child’s college prospects.
Of course, public schools vary greatly in quality. The dilapidated state of too many urban and rural schools in the United States is a well-chronicled tragedy. Yet a large number of suburban public high schools offer many of the amenities of a private school as well as a lineup of strongly credentialed, dedicated instructors (i.e., Green Hope High School in Cary or Myers Park High School in Charlotte). Opportunities abound for the motivated and talented attending public schools. AP courses are typically plentiful and public schools actually offer more opportunities for International Baccalaureate (IB) and dual-enrollment courses.
You may also gain an edge by being a big fish in a small pond, or if you prefer a less overused analogy, a gargantuan begonia in a miniature greenhouse. Studies have shown that when you control for scholastic ability, attending a school surrounded by fellow academic superstars actually has a negative effect on your admissions chances at an elite college. In other words, a student with a 1300 SAT at a public high school where the average SAT is 1000 will have an admissions edge over an equal student at a private school where 1300 is the average SAT score.
What your “research” doesn’t show is that preps are loaded with dysfunctional rich kids with sex and drug problems. My kid opted to not go to Nobles because of “the element” as he described it. He spent time there when deciding what to do and was surprised at what he learned. A lot of these silver spooners never end up working, rendering their “degree” and contacts useless. Times are changing. The independent self made entrepreneur outweighs the silver spooner.
“So again, after you using my brain“..... someone going hot and heavy on the 40s tonight!!!!
Neutral poster here. Not sure what you’re trying to message but your point is unclear. As far as the Donato hater not sure how relevant your comment is to this thread....
Lots of average students going the prep route because it's been ordained as the best path to college hockey. These kids don't magically turn into Ivy candidates because they now sit in a classroom doing drum circles with their awesome 8-person class. Just like they don't turn into D1 prospects just because they enroll in a prep school. Lots of families paying a big price for the hope of success, but success can be found in a wide range of places. It comes from the kid not from the school.
"How is this even disputable. Milton's graduating class is about 175 and 25% end up at Ivy's another 50% at small Ivy's and tier 1 colleges. The last 25% mostly schools I would be thrilled for my kids to attend."
Several posters have already explained why it is not only disputable, but in fact an increased chance of ivy acceptance is the single most common misconception about prep school. Milton and other preps are selecting kids who are already on track for an elite college. That isn't development, it is drafting. If you don't trust those posts then ask an admissions director at the elite prep of your choice.
Here's a thread that discusses and explains the point https://talk.collegeconfidential.com/prep-school-parents/1877215-milton-college-matriculation-impact-of-hooks-legacy-development-athletic-recruiting-urm.html
My son was waitlisted at 2 schools, last week we received 2 offers, yesterday he was accepted at his second choice with the aid we needed.
This is a really interesting thread. What people lose sight of is, is that I don't believe anyone thinks there is a magic pill to guarantee your child go Ivy, D1, or to a top paying job. One decision you make, like what HS you choose, or what 1/2 season team you play on, will not determine a child's success. "Success" is a combination of so many factors, some you can control, and some you can not. Be a good parent and role model, teach good morals, good work ethic, and how to be a good person. Do the best you can, encourage your child to do the best he/she can, and make the best decisions you can with the information and resources that you have. Good luck and stop criticizing people's decisions or justifying your own.
I love the fact these two guys are pretending they have jobs. Classic d-board here. Lets pull out W-2's!!
I am thinking IP addresses would be more like 1.) A public (free internet) library in Lowell 2.) Flip phone outside the Porthole in Lynn
Ready. Set. Attack:
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Only on the Dboard can a question about 03 prep players turn into 2 millionaires arguing over the process of creating a resume..and still not get the answer about the 03 prep players.
Glad someone finally pointed this out. So let's assume 03 wants prep around Boston area, not an argument about FS hockey or economics/resumes. What are the schools that are top choices?
You all sound like a bunch of 5 year olds.
It's pretty simple, if the kid is driven and wants to succeed they will do it from anywhere, Prep or Public.
What HS you attended when you were 16 means very little when you're applying for a job at 35. Are you qualified, are you a good person, do you work hard, etc....all of this starts at home.
Raise the kids well and push them to succeed. For some, that may mean kicking them out the door at 14 and shipping them off to prep school....for others (like me) I'm going raise my own kid and do the job myself.
Bingo, especially in today’s generation. Schools mean very little for kids not coming from money. Drive, focus and humility will be EVERYTHING!
I have a few 35 year old preppers that went to great hipster liberal arts colleges (HC, Bates, Bowdoin) - all mid level sales guys....none of them bright....all of them good athletes
OK we get the Pros/Cons
But what Prep loaded up with 03/04's and repeats?
Lot of kids didn’t get shown the money by preps. Makes parents who’ve been hyping kids since mites sad.
Many middle class families all in the same situation. Tuition of 65k, school given 35-40k..still 25-30k per year.
Too bad your "TITLE" got cut...:laughing: :laughing: :man:
Do schools ever give full tuition for athletes?
The route to college hockey is ridiculous. Make the sport more accessible to inner city kids and quickly watch the full-pay prep boys lose their built-in advantage.
A better game would be Lacrosse and their 50 man college rosters. You tell me if you took every D-3 running back, CB, TE, QB, LB, safety . . . college football recruit from the inner city and handed then a stick their junior year of high school if that sport wouldn't change in less than 5 years. Country club boys play it while you can, athletes might just be coming!
Truth is if you are a middle class white family and your kid is a B+ student and plays 2-3 sports you have no shot at affording prep school. You end up making to much for good financial, but if you are poor as dirt and have some behavioral problems, then you have a good chance at getting in and getting the grant you need. System is broken, but diversity is what they are looking for...GO BOY SCOUTS!
Going back a few weeks in this thread, but I love how people think that simply sitting in class with future power brokers at a prep school is somehow going to help your son's career. The same way playing on a team with a D1 commit is going to make your player more attractive to an NHL team. You either have the skills and the drive to succeed or you don't, in sports and in business.