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Re: Is it luck

anon
Yes you are all right. Every coach at the NCAA level and every GM at the pro level only want players with names or connections. They don't care about winning or how bringing up those players will impact the teams ability to win or thier career.

Sure, whatever it takes to justify that your kid really just isn't good enough.
One in every crowd. Live it for a while, see it for a couple decades and this rosy view of the world goes south in the real world.

Re: Is it luck

Anon
Watched so much hockey this year on video, FS, Prep, Jrs, is it luck that some kids get college looks, is it connections? Watching these games and seeing BC, BU, ND, UMASS etc.. next to some of these kids names that are no different than the kids without commitments. I don’t get it? What is that gets those kids opportunities that the others do not? In prep they seem to be puck hogs and just try to go end to end like mites, in FS they seem to lack hockey IQ, and Jrs they are good so I have no idea why player 1 is committed but player 2 is not.
Its not all luck - it most likely your lacking ability to scout a player. These kids on BC/BU/UMASS are different than kids without commitments. They are better. They do the little things better. The funnel shrinks and the line between good and great is fine but its there. There is a lot more to hockey than scoring goals.

Re: Is it luck

Don’t overlook the off ice stuff and character. Plays a big role in kids that are visually equal on the ice.

Coaches and scouts are going with the player that works harder in the weight room and off season, has better character and is more coachable every time. Even if the other kid may have the slight skill advantage.

Another thing we have learned recently. Is why some kids are getting prep offers over other kids who may be a tad better.

Well I know everyone want to specialize in hockey. But all the schools asked what other sports he played. And let me tell you. The better options came from schools that had two coaches interested in him.

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Covid has really screwed up recruiting which is also contributing to younger kids "not getting looks". Everything is delayed. The transfer portal is packed and will get much deeper. Seniors who just finished four years can now play another year as a grad transfer. Kids who didn't get much ice time can transfer without sitting out. If my kid were going through this again I'd have him finish HS here and then go to USHL or Junior A and worry about comittments then because getting looks today isn't going to mean much. A number of articles and posts out there talking about the mess this off season will be.

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--->>>Ok show me one HE roster where 3/4 are lineage of some type? My kid plays HE. There is one kid on the team who has a parent who went to the school and none have parents who played college or above. But don't let the facts get in the way of your excuses.<<<---

Someone here posted the BC roster here 5-6 years ago and the number was something like 80% of the kids had hockey family connections. NHL dads, NHL front office, Dad's who had played in the program. . . the list was really eye opening.

Re: Is it luck

anon
--->>>Ok show me one HE roster where 3/4 are lineage of some type? My kid plays HE. There is one kid on the team who has a parent who went to the school and none have parents who played college or above. But don't let the facts get in the way of your excuses.<<<---

Someone here posted the BC roster here 5-6 years ago and the number was something like 80% of the kids had hockey family connections. NHL dads, NHL front office, Dad's who had played in the program. . . the list was really eye opening.
Rosters are still available so I’m sure you will pull that up for everyone and point out the 20+ kids on the roster with NHL ties.

Re: Is it luck

Here is the current roster at BC, BU, Umass Click on the name and read the Personal Info, you can form your own opinion if these guys just "made it themselves" or if Mom, Dad, Brother, Sister, Uncle, had some influence.

https://bceagles.com/sports/mens-ice-hockey/roster/2020-21
https://goterriers.com/sports/mens-ice-hockey/roster
https://umassathletics.com/sports/mens-ice-hockey/roster

Re: Is it luck

Anon
Here is the current roster at BC, BU, Umass Click on the name and read the Personal Info, you can form your own opinion if these guys just "made it themselves" or if Mom, Dad, Brother, Sister, Uncle, had some influence.

https://bceagles.com/sports/mens-ice-hockey/roster/2020-21
https://goterriers.com/sports/mens-ice-hockey/roster
https://umassathletics.com/sports/mens-ice-hockey/roster
Results are what matters. Those teams are elite. Kills your argument regardless oh who their great uncle might be.

Re: Is it luck

Anon
Anon
Here is the current roster at BC, BU, Umass Click on the name and read the Personal Info, you can form your own opinion if these guys just \"made it themselves\" or if Mom, Dad, Brother, Sister, Uncle, had some influence.

https://bceagles.com/sports/mens-ice-hockey/roster/2020-21
https://goterriers.com/sports/mens-ice-hockey/roster
https://umassathletics.com/sports/mens-ice-hockey/roster
Results are what matters. Those teams are elite. Kills your argument regardless oh who their great uncle might be.
Ok, look at the other HE teams. Proves the guys point. Look at the current commits, same thing.

Re: Is it luck

Anon
Anon
Anon
Here is the current roster at BC, BU, Umass Click on the name and read the Personal Info, you can form your own opinion if these guys just \\\"made it themselves\\\" or if Mom, Dad, Brother, Sister, Uncle, had some influence.

https://bceagles.com/sports/mens-ice-hockey/roster/2020-21
https://goterriers.com/sports/mens-ice-hockey/roster
https://umassathletics.com/sports/mens-ice-hockey/roster
Results are what matters. Those teams are elite. Kills your argument regardless oh who their great uncle might be.
Ok, look at the other HE teams. Proves the guys point. Look at the current commits, same thing.
Who?? Which team? Give me one that is mostly connections?

Re: Is it luck

Anon
Anon
Anon
Anon
Here is the current roster at BC, BU, Umass Click on the name and read the Personal Info, you can form your own opinion if these guys just \\\\\\\"made it themselves\\\\\\\" or if Mom, Dad, Brother, Sister, Uncle, had some influence.

https://bceagles.com/sports/mens-ice-hockey/roster/2020-21
https://goterriers.com/sports/mens-ice-hockey/roster
https://umassathletics.com/sports/mens-ice-hockey/roster
Results are what matters. Those teams are elite. Kills your argument regardless oh who their great uncle might be.
Ok, look at the other HE teams. Proves the guys point. Look at the current commits, same thing.
Who?? Which team? Give me one that is mostly connections?
I'm curious, for all that think the system is rigged, it's all about your last name, etc.

How many kids per year do you think are signing LOI to D-I schools for hockey?

How many kids are playing U-20/U-18/HS/Prep hockey in the US & Canada?

With a pool that's more than 150X the size needed to choose from, do you really believe that a coach making 200-400 thousand per year, whose ability to keep that job is dependent upon on ice performance, is simply looking at last names or calling up his old drinking buddies to send their kids over?

For those that say, look at the last name, I say genetics, better training, and better coaching from day 1.

I get it, we've all spent a ton of money and time in supporting our kids in chasing their dream (or in some cases, your dreams) and it's hard to come to grips with the fact that our kid's aren't making the cut and moving to the next level. Rather than blaming the system, just take pride in what your player has accomplished in the sport. If you are reading this than chances are your player is 16+ which means he's accomplished more in the game than 50% of the kids that he first skated with in Mites. He's worked hard, learned how to be a good teammate, manage his time, and displays a commitment most kids his age don't and therefor is more prepared for the realities of the corporate world than his peers.

Re: Is it luck

People aren't saying its rigged, they are saying that since scouting is a crapshoot, and requires a lot of time and effort to scout a player properly, when all other things seem equal, they will choose the player with the family bloodline speculating that they have been around the game more, were taught properly by their dad, and also have the genes to play at high level. Some argue that its a lazier approach for the scout to assume that, and that the scouts are taking shortcuts. Who knows.



Re: Is it luck

anon
People aren't saying its rigged, they are saying that since scouting is a crapshoot, and requires a lot of time and effort to scout a player properly, when all other things seem equal, they will choose the player with the family bloodline speculating that they have been around the game more, were taught properly by their dad, and also have the genes to play at high level. Some argue that its a lazier approach for the scout to assume that, and that the scouts are taking shortcuts. Who knows.



I think D1 is 100% rigged and all complete BS. D3 is where its at.

Re: Is it luck

Anon
anon
--->>>Ok show me one HE roster where 3/4 are lineage of some type? My kid plays HE. There is one kid on the team who has a parent who went to the school and none have parents who played college or above. But don't let the facts get in the way of your excuses.<<<---

Someone here posted the BC roster here 5-6 years ago and the number was something like 80% of the kids had hockey family connections. NHL dads, NHL front office, Dad's who had played in the program. . . the list was really eye opening.
Rosters are still available so I’m sure you will pull that up for everyone and point out the 20+ kids on the roster with NHL ties.
Read um and weep. I think the number is closer to 75% than 80%

https://www.eliteprospects.com/team/911/boston-college/2016-2017

Re: Is it luck

Its a shame, some really good hockey players from New England just wont get an opportunity. Play Prep or high level Midget, go to Jrs for a year or 2, then age out or go D3 as a 21 year old Freshman is the path for many of us poor souls.
Sad.

Re: Is it luck

So 5 years ago BC had a bunch of legacy players so that means my kid can't make it? Where's the numbers for the "all of college hockey is rigged" conclusion? What are your numbers in the aggregate for BC/BU/Umass/PC/NE/Harvard today? Still think your kid can't make it cause of his name or is it just the reality that it might be hard, merit based and he is probably just not going to be good enough.

Re: Is it luck

Nice try.

Re: Is it luck

Sorry your kid won't make it.

Re: Is it luck

anon
Sorry your kid won't make it.
Thanks man, hes pretty upset.

Re: Is it luck

Kids are often more resilient than their parents.

Re: Is it luck

anon
So 5 years ago BC had a bunch of legacy players so that means my kid can't make it? Where's the numbers for the "all of college hockey is rigged" conclusion? What are your numbers in the aggregate for BC/BU/Umass/PC/NE/Harvard today? Still think your kid can't make it cause of his name or is it just the reality that it might be hard, merit based and he is probably just not going to be good enough.
Correct, your kid will not make it just like mine wont. Watch the frozen 4 tournament this weekend, take a shot every time you hear the commentators say "his dad", "his mom", "his uncle", "his brother", etc.. I watched 1 period so far and am already 1/2 in the bag, gonna be a long day!

Re: Is it luck

Why cause the kids are good and yours will never be able to play at that level?

Re: Is it luck

Anon
Why cause the kids are good and yours will never be able to play at that level?
ummmm...obviously thats why

Re: Is it luck

This is a great thread. Its an argument since I played college in the 90s. My son is on the older side, still at Prep and has not talked with 1 College team for 1 reason and that's because he is not ready. The jam in college hockey recruiting is the best thing that could happen for my kid, gives him another year of Prep to play and grow. I see no problem with a kid going to college at 21 or now 22 due to this crazy year. Why talk to a school when your are not ready, makes no sense, and I feel the verbal stuff hurts the kid, other schools lose interest, an 18 year old may be a bit different at 21/22, why commit to a place when you wont be there for a few years when you have 60 other options. Play, grow, process.

Re: Is it luck

anon
This is a great thread. Its an argument since I played college in the 90s. My son is on the older side, still at Prep and has not talked with 1 College team for 1 reason and that's because he is not ready. The jam in college hockey recruiting is the best thing that could happen for my kid, gives him another year of Prep to play and grow. I see no problem with a kid going to college at 21 or now 22 due to this crazy year. Why talk to a school when your are not ready, makes no sense, and I feel the verbal stuff hurts the kid, other schools lose interest, an 18 year old may be a bit different at 21/22, why commit to a place when you wont be there for a few years when you have 60 other options. Play, grow, process.
Agree with ya. No rush, there are 100 college players in the transfer portal.. nobody concerned with an 18 year old at this point.

Re: Is it luck

It is fixed and you have to be lucky at the same time. Many D1 players aren’t that skilled. Big, fast and work hard. Most teams have 1 skill line and 3 meathead lines. Raise a meathead. If your kid isn’t big, lower your expectations. Unless the kid is a ringer. They always get looks. Scouts don’t work hard. That’s a fact. They rely on coaches and ex players for tips.

Re: Is it luck

My son has another year of prep left and after watching the college hockey tournament with 23/24 year old men playing most of the game in good with him hopefully committing at 19/20 and going into College at 21/22. Trust the process!

Re: Is it luck

Larry
It is fixed and you have to be lucky at the same time. Many D1 players aren’t that skilled. Big, fast and work hard. Most teams have 1 skill line and 3 meathead lines. Raise a meathead. If your kid isn’t big, lower your expectations. Unless the kid is a ringer. They always get looks. Scouts don’t work hard. That’s a fact. They rely on coaches and ex players for tips.
All I see here are angry parents who can't come to the realization that their kid isn't good enough. I really like the comment, "Many D1 players aren’t that skilled", maybe your kid isn't that skilled? The vast majority of D1 players have a couple of skills that a college scout considers Elite, whether it be skating, IQ, compete level, etc., and it's projected to the next level. MY kid just finished his D1 college career last season, nobody on either side of my family played hockey, he wasn't even a rink rat, and played baseball in the summer, and he was undersized for his position. His greatest skill was his athleticism, and hockey IQ. Even though he signed an AHL deal last Spring, he suffered another injury, and is walking away from the game (not easy). To play DI, you have to have a couple of skills that is above the rest, and character goes a long way, something most of parents on here or short of.

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The “if you are good they will find you” and the “lineage” arguments are so overrated it is not even funny. The odds are against you, and you have to work relentlessly to be seen and be in the recruiting coaches mind. If you are good enough to play D1 they might or might not find you. If you are head and shoulders above your peers they will. If you have an NHL name it helps, everyone else fir every roster spot there are probably just 100 kids that are as good as you are.

Good luck.

Re: Is it luck

Anon
Larry
It is fixed and you have to be lucky at the same time. Many D1 players aren’t that skilled. Big, fast and work hard. Most teams have 1 skill line and 3 meathead lines. Raise a meathead. If your kid isn’t big, lower your expectations. Unless the kid is a ringer. They always get looks. Scouts don’t work hard. That’s a fact. They rely on coaches and ex players for tips.
All I see here are angry parents who can't come to the realization that their kid isn't good enough. I really like the comment, "Many D1 players aren’t that skilled", maybe your kid isn't that skilled? The vast majority of D1 players have a couple of skills that a college scout considers Elite, whether it be skating, IQ, compete level, etc., and it's projected to the next level. MY kid just finished his D1 college career last season, nobody on either side of my family played hockey, he wasn't even a rink rat, and played baseball in the summer, and he was undersized for his position. His greatest skill was his athleticism, and hockey IQ. Even though he signed an AHL deal last Spring, he suffered another injury, and is walking away from the game (not easy). To play DI, you have to have a couple of skills that is above the rest, and character goes a long way, something most of parents on here or short of.
Yup, your kid was just a unicorn that a scout saw at public skate and had to have. Played town hockey and D3 high school didn’t know anyone in the game and it just happened, BAM, D1.

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My son has began emailing coaches, he's had 50 schools respond. So does he have shot or are they just polite?

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So basically every school in the country has responded? or are you talking D3 as well?

Many will respond, especially now with recruiting blackouts but you never know what the outcomes might be. It's like applying for jobs. You throw the net wide. You might be qualified to work at every company but not all have openings/needs.

Same for colleges. They are competing for the elite player but the player can only go to one school, so the others move to the next guy on their list.

Some schools have specific needs. Maybe they need a depth and PK guy and your kid fits that need. You never know. You keep playing, improving and you never know when your at the right place at the right time with a shool that has a need.

I will say i agree with that post about the need to be extremely patient. The transfer portal will create chaos and that's where teams are focusing for next year.

Re: Is it luck

anon
So basically every school in the country has responded? or are you talking D3 as well?

Many will respond, especially now with recruiting blackouts but you never know what the outcomes might be. It's like applying for jobs. You throw the net wide. You might be qualified to work at every company but not all have openings/needs.

Same for colleges. They are competing for the elite player but the player can only go to one school, so the others move to the next guy on their list.

Some schools have specific needs. Maybe they need a depth and PK guy and your kid fits that need. You never know. You keep playing, improving and you never know when your at the right place at the right time with a shool that has a need.

I will say i agree with that post about the need to be extremely patient. The transfer portal will create chaos and that's where teams are focusing for next year.
Only reached out to D1 schools so far. D3 coaches came right out and said they were looking to talk with 00 and 01s at this point and my son is only 18. I guess its a good start and will just stay in communications with them until they stop responding or invite to campus.