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Re: Why is high school hockey in Massachusetts dying off?

Anon
It may not be a direct path to post HS hockey but I wouldn’t say it’s dying off either. There are plenty of kids who are realistic about their talents and want to play with classmates for their school. It’s actually the right path for 80-90% of kids playing today.
Try its the right path for 99% of the players today. All these kids playing prep, full season teams, etc doesn't equate to more roster spots in D1 college hockey programs. The last stats I saw its roughly 2% of kids will play D1 hockey. Thats 2 out of every 100 players. Seen countless kids play full season teams in front of no crowds to then just end up playing club in college instead of playing in front of a house packed with friends and fans. I am not saying high school hockey is great - its clearly not but the experience playing for town high school team is probably going to be better for a majority of kids. Things wont change and kids will still chase the carrot. The best thing about hockey is it leads all other sports in delusional players and parents.

Re: Why is high school hockey in Massachusetts dying off?

anon
Anon
It may not be a direct path to post HS hockey but I wouldn’t say it’s dying off either. There are plenty of kids who are realistic about their talents and want to play with classmates for their school. It’s actually the right path for 80-90% of kids playing today.
Try its the right path for 99% of the players today. All these kids playing prep, full season teams, etc doesn't equate to more roster spots in D1 college hockey programs. The last stats I saw its roughly 2% of kids will play D1 hockey. Thats 2 out of every 100 players. Seen countless kids play full season teams in front of no crowds to then just end up playing club in college instead of playing in front of a house packed with friends and fans. I am not saying high school hockey is great - its clearly not but the experience playing for town high school team is probably going to be better for a majority of kids. Things wont change and kids will still chase the carrot. The best thing about hockey is it leads all other sports in delusional players and parents.
And here you have it. Delusional high school coaches who believe they know what is best for your kid. Sorry coach, if you would have played the best kids and not followed the advice of your booster club and parents then maybe that is true. I’ve seen far too many players leave because the upper classman who couldn’t skate is picked over a kid who is younger and who is clearly better thrown on the JV squad. Playing in front of girls who you want to throw your pipe into is not a draw for hockey players. Well, hockey players who want to move on past high school. In fact, it is a distraction.

Re: Why is high school hockey in Massachusetts dying off?

If more people ignored the lure of club midget hockey and played high school (for free!), then junior for a year or two after that (if they are good enough), not only would their college fund be much bigger but MA HS hockey would be stupid strong like Minnesota.

Re: Why is high school hockey in Massachusetts dying off?

anon
If more people ignored the lure of club midget hockey and played high school (for free!), then junior for a year or two after that (if they are good enough), not only would their college fund be much bigger but MA HS hockey would be stupid strong like Minnesota.


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+1

Re: Why is high school hockey in Massachusetts dying off?

anon
Not too long ago players were getting drafted to the NHL straight out of high school and it was a great path to college hockey...now it’s hard to find a DI commit playing in high school. Seems like every season the talent level continues to drop off. What is happening?
Look no further than the MIAA. Dumb decisions, one after the other and mostly the same people making decisions year after year.

Re: Why is high school hockey in Massachusetts dying off?

Hey buddy, MIAA produced the High School National Champions this year! You don't think all those kids are going D1, just watch! #rollpope

Re: Why is high school hockey in Massachusetts dying off?

High school hockey. Most teams have 1 solid line which likely includes 1 very good player. After that the drop off is massive. If you are an above average player one year is fun after that its fustrating. This is why kids are looking for better options.

Re: Why is high school hockey in Massachusetts dying off?

anon
High school hockey. Most teams have 1 solid line which likely includes 1 very good player. After that the drop off is massive. If you are an above average player one year is fun after that its fustrating. This is why kids are looking for better options.
One "good player" on high school that will leave to go play elsewhere to end up where he would have ended up if he stayed at his high school 99.5% of the time.

These are a rough summary of kids that are already poached from High School hockey:
NTDP
USHL
NAHL
NCDC
Prep
NAH3L/EHL, etc
<<<----Good high school player
High School

Re: Why is high school hockey in Massachusetts dying off?

anon
High school hockey. Most teams have 1 solid line which likely includes 1 very good player. After that the drop off is massive. If you are an above average player one year is fun after that its fustrating. This is why kids are looking for better options.
Certainly true there is a real lack of depth at the high school level. Times have changed and kids & parents no longer care about high school sports. Hockey in our area is one of the few sports that offers an in season alternative but like "elite" youth teams, there are now too many alternatives. So that player that is frustrated after his freshman season moves onto a full season team as a sophomore, chasing the dream and believing they are among the .5 percent of players in their birth year that have a shot at playing D-I. It becomes a cycle that repeats with only a handful of kids and parents realizing that their player is destined for beer league and sticking around for four years.

Over the last few years I've known a number of families that have gone down this path and they seemed shocked when their kid is 19 and can't even make their programs Tier-III Junior program as they are suddenly competing with kids from around the country. Some regret the decision but most simply say "hey, my kid wanted to go as far as he could with hockey and we were simply supporting them."

Re: Why is high school hockey in Massachusetts dying off?

anon
anon
High school hockey. Most teams have 1 solid line which likely includes 1 very good player. After that the drop off is massive. If you are an above average player one year is fun after that its fustrating. This is why kids are looking for better options.
Certainly true there is a real lack of depth at the high school level. Times have changed and kids & parents no longer care about high school sports. Hockey in our area is one of the few sports that offers an in season alternative but like "elite" youth teams, there are now too many alternatives. So that player that is frustrated after his freshman season moves onto a full season team as a sophomore, chasing the dream and believing they are among the .5 percent of players in their birth year that have a shot at playing D-I. It becomes a cycle that repeats with only a handful of kids and parents realizing that their player is destined for beer league and sticking around for four years.

Over the last few years I've known a number of families that have gone down this path and they seemed shocked when their kid is 19 and can't even make their programs Tier-III Junior program as they are suddenly competing with kids from around the country. Some regret the decision but most simply say "hey, my kid wanted to go as far as he could with hockey and we were simply supporting them."
Don’t you think parents understand the decisions their child make are understood and the discussion hasn’t been made with their child. Who says the child is chasing a dream? Did you have a talk with the player or parent and talk to them? I bet you didn’t and are making assumptions about parents and kids who you have never spoken too. Who’s at fault? The kid who is striving to be the best he can be? Or is it the high school coach who is ****** you are not following his opinion on how things should be and then do your best to black ball the kid?

I know what I would choose as to who is in the wrong.

Re: Why is high school hockey in Massachusetts dying off?

anon
anon
anon
High school hockey. Most teams have 1 solid line which likely includes 1 very good player. After that the drop off is massive. If you are an above average player one year is fun after that its fustrating. This is why kids are looking for better options.
Certainly true there is a real lack of depth at the high school level. Times have changed and kids & parents no longer care about high school sports. Hockey in our area is one of the few sports that offers an in season alternative but like \"elite\" youth teams, there are now too many alternatives. So that player that is frustrated after his freshman season moves onto a full season team as a sophomore, chasing the dream and believing they are among the .5 percent of players in their birth year that have a shot at playing D-I. It becomes a cycle that repeats with only a handful of kids and parents realizing that their player is destined for beer league and sticking around for four years.

Over the last few years I\'ve known a number of families that have gone down this path and they seemed shocked when their kid is 19 and can\'t even make their programs Tier-III Junior program as they are suddenly competing with kids from around the country. Some regret the decision but most simply say \"hey, my kid wanted to go as far as he could with hockey and we were simply supporting them.\"
Don’t you think parents understand the decisions their child make are understood and the discussion hasn’t been made with their child. Who says the child is chasing a dream? Did you have a talk with the player or parent and talk to them? I bet you didn’t and are making assumptions about parents and kids who you have never spoken too. Who’s at fault? The kid who is striving to be the best he can be? Or is it the high school coach who is ****** you are not following his opinion on how things should be and then do your best to black ball the kid?

I know what I would choose as to who is in the wrong.
Yes I've talked to he parents, a player who couldn't make Varsity at his high school his Junior year and went on to play two years of full season U-18, the goalie who had a save percentage under 80% who jumped to U-16, then U-18, barely played because he wasn't very good but then tried out for every U-20 team in the area after graduation and the list goes on.

No, most parents have zero understanding of the odds of making it to D-III let alone D-I.

Re: Why is high school hockey in Massachusetts dying off?

anon
anon
anon
anon
High school hockey. Most teams have 1 solid line which likely includes 1 very good player. After that the drop off is massive. If you are an above average player one year is fun after that its fustrating. This is why kids are looking for better options.
Certainly true there is a real lack of depth at the high school level. Times have changed and kids & parents no longer care about high school sports. Hockey in our area is one of the few sports that offers an in season alternative but like \\\"elite\\\" youth teams, there are now too many alternatives. So that player that is frustrated after his freshman season moves onto a full season team as a sophomore, chasing the dream and believing they are among the .5 percent of players in their birth year that have a shot at playing D-I. It becomes a cycle that repeats with only a handful of kids and parents realizing that their player is destined for beer league and sticking around for four years.

Over the last few years I\\\'ve known a number of families that have gone down this path and they seemed shocked when their kid is 19 and can\\\'t even make their programs Tier-III Junior program as they are suddenly competing with kids from around the country. Some regret the decision but most simply say \\\"hey, my kid wanted to go as far as he could with hockey and we were simply supporting them.\\\"
Don’t you think parents understand the decisions their child make are understood and the discussion hasn’t been made with their child. Who says the child is chasing a dream? Did you have a talk with the player or parent and talk to them? I bet you didn’t and are making assumptions about parents and kids who you have never spoken too. Who’s at fault? The kid who is striving to be the best he can be? Or is it the high school coach who is ****** you are not following his opinion on how things should be and then do your best to black ball the kid?

I know what I would choose as to who is in the wrong.
Yes I've talked to he parents, a player who couldn't make Varsity at his high school his Junior year and went on to play two years of full season U-18, the goalie who had a save percentage under 80% who jumped to U-16, then U-18, barely played because he wasn't very good but then tried out for every U-20 team in the area after graduation and the list goes on.

No, most parents have zero understanding of the odds of making it to D-III let alone D-I.
I will clue you in on something. It is not your life. Understand. Do you really think parents don’t know it is tough to make it.

Re: Why is high school hockey in Massachusetts dying off?

I though Pope was a prep school?

Re: Why is high school hockey in Massachusetts dying off?

Pope F. is just like a prep school where you pay money to play!!
St.John's Prep, BC High. St.Marys, all prep. You pay!

Re: Why is high school hockey in Massachusetts dying off?

Anon
Pope F. is just like a prep school where you pay money to play!!
St.John\'s Prep, BC High. St.Marys, all prep. You pay!
That is not prep...it's called private or in the schools you cited -catholic school.

Re: Why is high school hockey in Massachusetts dying off?

Anon
Pope F. is just like a prep school where you pay money to play!!
St.John's Prep, BC High. St.Marys, all prep. You pay!
You may pay for your education in a Catholic school, but making the team in one of these Catholic Conference schools is not easy. Having said that, the level of play is nowhere near prep. (Have experience with both, not even close).

Re: Why is high school hockey in Massachusetts dying off?

Anon
Hey buddy, MIAA produced the High School National Champions this year! You don't think all those kids are going D1, just watch! #rollpope
They have 1 sure fire D1 player, 2-3 fringe (at best) D1 players.

Re: Why is high school hockey in Massachusetts dying off?

anon
Anon
Hey buddy, MIAA produced the High School National Champions this year! You don\'t think all those kids are going D1, just watch! #rollpope
They have 1 sure fire D1 player, 2-3 fringe (at best) D1 players.
Pope the exception. National Champs, better than your team. I see 6 kids playing D1 from this years deep squad

Re: Why is high school hockey in Massachusetts dying off?

Anon
anon
Anon
Hey buddy, MIAA produced the High School National Champions this year! You don\\\'t think all those kids are going D1, just watch! #rollpope
They have 1 sure fire D1 player, 2-3 fringe (at best) D1 players.
Pope the exception. National Champs, better than your team. I see 6 kids playing D1 from this years deep squad
Sad part is.. everyone is hockey knows what’s joke the tournament was. They know the Edina team you played, they know the Chicago team you played and they are not impressed. 1 D1 player for sure, kid is real good. The rest, no shot. Zero.

Re: Why is high school hockey in Massachusetts dying off?

anon
Not too long ago players were getting drafted to the NHL straight out of high school and it was a great path to college hockey...now it’s hard to find a DI commit playing in high school. Seems like every season the talent level continues to drop off. What is happening?
It’s hard to find a DI commit playing in high school. Every season the talent level continues to drop off.

see what I did there ?

Re: Why is high school hockey in Massachusetts dying off?

Talent level is still very strong in Mass. The game has just grown throughout the US and the World. Back when Mass kids were getting drafted out of HS it was really just Mass and Minn in the US. Now you have great athletes from all over the country they are competing against. As for HS hockey its not a hockey thing. Numbers are down in across the Board in all sports. How many multisport athletes you see anymore at the HS level almost none. Kids that are still playing sports usually play just 1 sport.

Re: Why is high school hockey in Massachusetts dying off?

Yeah its too bad, lots of kids choosing to go 1 sport route. I can see if your getting invites to top level competition etc and you have a chance to go D1, then it makes sense. Everyone else should be encouraged to do multi sports. Too many coaches, parents and kids believe 1 sport with year round focus is better, that should only apply to a select few.

If hockey is your focus, I think you should do a spring sport, cross/weight train Mar-Nov, get on the ice June-Mar. Maybe a once a week skills in the spring.