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Re: Points

Players too focused on racking up goals can kill themselves and their team without even knowing it. Next game watch how many times someone is wide open and never gets the puck. I watched a game last weekend where both defenseman on the blueline were wide open and the player curled out of the corner and fired a shot from an impossible angle short side into the goalie. How do those two open players feel after that (non) play keeps happening?

They need to be taught to just make the right decisions with the puck. The points will come and even better the good scouts will notice the good decisions.

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Well the scout last night was from a D1 school in RI, he made it loud and clear to my kid that they are looking for players on the scoresheet.

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anon
Well the scout last night was from a D1 school in RI, he made it loud and clear to my kid that they are looking for players on the scoresheet.
Aren't there only 2 D1 programs in RI, PC (Leaman) and Brown (Whittet)?

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anon
Well the scout last night was from a D1 school in RI, he made it loud and clear to my kid that they are looking for players on the scoresheet.
Aren't there only 2 D1 programs in RI, PC (Leaman) and Brown (Whittet)?
I'm sure he was referring to the only D1 Club Team in the state, which is URI. As a parent of a kid who pla*** for Leaman for four years, the PC coach would never say that.

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Anon
There was a post awhile back asking how important Points are. Well, tonight my son was told by a D1 coach that they “ love” the way he skates, love the way he makes plays, loves how physical he is BUUUUT he doesn’t produce enough. Soooooo, he will no longer play team defense. He will be 100% focused on the scoresheet. Apparently Points matter the most.
I'd keep in mind that it is one coach's opinion. And could be based on his team's current needs. Maybe he feels the only thing his team's missing is a pure sniper. My son just committed to a D1 last week - the coach told him he got the offer because he plays a 2oo foot game & they have no interest in players that don't work just as hard in the defensive zone. My advice would be let your son play his game - telling him to disregard playing defense doesn't seem like great advice IMO. I think you're taking one coach's scouting report too personally.

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Here's the problem - "...good scouts will notice the good decisions."

How many 'good scouts' do you think there are?

For many players the key is to be on the power play - that's where the points are. Advice to the youngsters, become a PP specialist regardless of your position, at every level.

As for defensemen the world has suffered from all these misplaced, undersized, stickhandling, showboating forwards who play as defensemen whose sole focus is putting up points while being serious minus players. Coaches love them on the scoresheet but they do very little to help a team win. Give me a pair of shutdown defensemen who can eat up minutes and odds are the team will win more than they lose. Peewee, Midget, college, pros. . .

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Like SIZE, points very much matter!!! #1 determining factor.
When/if he plays professionally, the lever flips to the team game.
IMHO

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You have to produce and you have to make other players better at the same time.

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Honestly, screw these uptight NCAA coaches, go to QMJHL or CHL, they see value in all players and give you the option to move on into pro hockey. Most don’t care who your family is, don’t care what school you come from, if you can play and fill a role they need, they will give you an opportunity.

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My son is a defensive defenseman. He plays his position and at the younger ages, that was a real problem. Coaches wanted a puck rushing defenseman. He is a great skater, has a great shot and is physical and it still really hurt him to play so defensively. He was just recently told that JR teams are going to love him because he makes very few mistakes defensively. He is shutdown d man. He was told that when a very offensive defensive isn't scoring and if he isn't strong defensively, what is he contributing? My son always pla*** D first and up until now, it wasn't looked at as a good thing. I would also add that no coach, even at the ehf elite level, ever truly cared about or coached the d. It was only about scoring. The little speedy forward or d man who would go up the middle.

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Anon
My son is a defensive defenseman. He plays his position and at the younger ages, that was a real problem. Coaches wanted a puck rushing defenseman. He is a great skater, has a great shot and is physical and it still really hurt him to play so defensively. He was just recently told that JR teams are going to love him because he makes very few mistakes defensively. He is shutdown d man. He was told that when a very offensive defensive isn't scoring and if he isn't strong defensively, what is he contributing? My son always pla*** D first and up until now, it wasn't looked at as a good thing. I would also add that no coach, even at the ehf elite level, ever truly cared about or coached the d. It was only about scoring. The little speedy forward or d man who would go up the middle.
This is a really accurate post. Go to any game at any level and just look at how many games a 'puck rushing defenseman' costs the team.

Like the old days of Torey Krug when he would get a goal and a couple assists. Fans were ecstatic, announcers fawning over the highlight reel, the newspapers put his photo front & center the next day...all the while he was -2 on the nigh and directly responsible for giving up4 goals.

If a team wants to win, like the guy posted earlier - give me a couple defense-first defensemen

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Anon
There was a post awhile back asking how important Points are. Well, tonight my son was told by a D1 coach that they “ love” the way he skates, love the way he makes plays, loves how physical he is BUUUUT he doesn’t produce enough. Soooooo, he will no longer play team defense. He will be 100% focused on the scoresheet. Apparently Points matter the most.
points does not equal goals. we all know that, right? So why would this comment by a D1 coach not make sense?

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Because admit it or not, points are directly related to who you play with. Unless you're that 1% talent, you could do all the right things, work hard, see the ice, make great decisions, and not rack up goals and assists simply because you're not being placed with offensive players.
Now if you're a starter and first PP guy then I agree, you need to produce. If you're not though then maybe you're just not being placed in a position to succeed.
Again, a good scout should be able to determine that.

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Agree with this 100%. My son was a third liner, behind a bunch of committed players, did not play PP, considered the 7th forward and pla*** with non offensive skilled kids. He received multiple tender offers at the end of his season AND committed to his school right after the season last year. If a kid can play, he will get attention.

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anon
Agree with this 100%. My son was a third liner, behind a bunch of committed players, did not play PP, considered the 7th forward and pla*** with non offensive skilled kids. He received multiple tender offers at the end of his season AND committed to his school right after the season last year. If a kid can play, he will get attention.
If a kid can play he will get noticed is the biggest myth out there.

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anon
anon
Agree with this 100%. My son was a third liner, behind a bunch of committed players, did not play PP, considered the 7th forward and pla*** with non offensive skilled kids. He received multiple tender offers at the end of his season AND committed to his school right after the season last year. If a kid can play, he will get attention.
If a kid can play he will get noticed is the biggest myth out there.
Worked for my kid. Guess he was a lucky one.

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anon
Because admit it or not, points are directly related to who you play with. Unless you're that 1% talent, you could do all the right things, work hard, see the ice, make great decisions, and not rack up goals and assists simply because you're not being placed with offensive players.
Now if you're a starter and first PP guy then I agree, you need to produce. If you're not though then maybe you're just not being placed in a position to succeed.
Again, a good scout should be able to determine that.

Wait what? I am so confused. So are you advocating that every kid on the team gets to play with the talented kids? Because for the most part where you play and who you play with is a reflection of how good you are.

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Not always true. I've coached for a long time and believe me who plays on the PP, who starts, who plays with who, is simply the coaches decision. It is only their opinion, their evaluation. That's all. Another coach may choose different players, happens all the time. Sometimes a player that started or pla*** first PP on another team now doesn't. Doesn't mean he got worse, it's just that particular coach has his own opinion. Again, a scout many times sees things differently. The point to all this is to simply play the game the right way no matter where they put you.

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I think it depends on the team your speaking about. Are we talking third liners at KUA, Salisbury, Avon, Cushing, Bel Hill, etc.. or third liners at BB&N, Hebron, Vermont, ect..? Huge difference in players. Wherever your kid is, he should attempt to be the best on the ice when he gets his chance.

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Who cares what a high school coach thinks. Seriously, get your kid in a good program, get better and move onto Jrs. Even the good High schools are dealing with children, talk to be me when they are 20, 21, thats when this matters.

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anon
Who cares what a high school coach thinks. Seriously, get your kid in a good program, get better and move onto Jrs. Even the good High schools are dealing with children, talk to be me when they are 20, 21, thats when this matters.
This is so true! Its great watching these "choosen" prep school players who had everything handed to them come to a Jr tryout and get their azzes handed to them. Players from the higher end preps who faced adversity, had to to fight everyday for their spot are more impact players in our Jr programs because they are gritty, physical, competitive and still more skilled than the FS kids so its a win win for us. Prep coaches, you just keep sitting those players so they aren't burnt out when they get to us.

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anon
I think it depends on the team your speaking about. Are we talking third liners at KUA, Salisbury, Avon, Cushing, Bel Hill, etc.. or third liners at BB&N, Hebron, Vermont, ect..? Huge difference in players. Wherever your kid is, he should attempt to be the best on the ice when he gets his chance.
We pla*** one of the better teams listed today and their third liners were better than their first so I don’t know if any of this makes sense anymore.

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I have reffed the NE Prep circuit for 15 years and can tell you the scoresheet changes just about every game. The call on the ice which we confirm with each other and with the kids on the ice is not what ends up in the stats. I know they are kicking around the idea of giving no assists, just recording goals. I think it would be better for the kids, it would force coaches to respect their players more, it a smack in the face for a kids to make plays and not get the point they deserve.

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Its very suspect to find a forward with 1 Goal and 32 assists..that doesn't add up. Be Better.

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Prep school coaches that mess with kids points are s***bags and kids should call them out when it happens which is daily. Look at the top schools stats and then watch games..when they dont jive you know there is s***baggery happening.

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Someone said points don't matter yet all the leading scorers are getting commitments. Points matter the most! Facts.