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To the guy who always tries to trash club hockey -

“Congratulations to former Providence Hockey Club player Matt Boldy on being selected MVP of the USA Hockey All American Prospects Game last night in St. Paul Minnesota.”

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Umm... either you are a great troll or you have zero clue

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Boldy played for 01 Capitals when he was a mite; left in squirts. 01 Kings recruited him and Struble, their 2 best players. Kings still weren't as good as 01 Flames, or maybe even the 01 Eagles.

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Anon
To the guy who always tries to trash club hockey -

“Congratulations to former Providence Hockey Club player Matt Boldy on being selected MVP of the USA Hockey All American Prospects Game last night in St. Paul Minnesota.”

I nominate this post for the dboard hall of shame.

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The guy is right. Half of the kids on a good D-1 club team could easily make a D-3 roster. What was it a few years ago UNH was pulling a few kids up to their varsity from club? Many kids just don't want the hassles of higher pressure hockey.

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anon
The guy is right. Half of the kids on a good D-1 club team could easily make a D-3 roster. What was it a few years ago UNH was pulling a few kids up to their varsity from club? Many kids just don't want the hassles of higher pressure hockey.
College Club hockey guy is back! Sliding "back-door" into a totally different conversation!

Love your hustle.

#penaltyboxvapes
#hugecrowds
#nattylights

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anon
The guy is right. Half of the kids on a good D-1 club team could easily make a D-3 roster. What was it a few years ago UNH was pulling a few kids up to their varsity from club? Many kids just don't want the hassles of higher pressure hockey.
Another solid candidate for The Hall! :astonished:

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Well there have been many kids who have recently opted out of playing serious college hockey. And when you see kids giving up the dream from the USHL / NAHL and selecting club hockey it makes you wonder. Plus I've been to many of the local D-3 rinks and I ask myself if my son would rather be going to a SNHU or UMass-Dartmouth and playing in front of 130 classmates and parents or going to a school like Georgia or Florida and playing in front of a couple thousand screaming coeds, well I'm starting to get it. The reality is the difference in actual on-ice play is pretty thin and both cases they end-up in the beer league so why not bring on the coeds?

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anon
Well there have been many kids who have recently opted out of playing serious college hockey. And when you see kids giving up the dream from the USHL / NAHL and selecting club hockey it makes you wonder. Plus I've been to many of the local D-3 rinks and I ask myself if my son would rather be going to a SNHU or UMass-Dartmouth and playing in front of 130 classmates and parents or going to a school like Georgia or Florida and playing in front of a couple thousand screaming coeds, well I'm starting to get it. The reality is the difference in actual on-ice play is pretty thin and both cases they end-up in the beer league so why not bring on the coeds?
Sorry your kid can't get laid without playing recreational hockey.

Yes, recreational hockey. Even according to the schools. They know what it is.

Ice Hockey – Recreation at Providence College
https://recreation.providence.edu/club-sports/ice-hockey/
The Providence College Club Ice Hockey Team competes in the Patriot division on the Northeast Collegiate Hockey Association (NECHA). The team is recognized by the ACHA, and competes against other colleges/universities in the New England area.

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I play recreational hockey + still can't get laid. Am I missing something?

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Reg Dunlop
I play recreational hockey + still can't get laid. Am I missing something?
Well, Reg, you did fine when you were 52 and still playing low level minors. But, now you've been dead for 10 years. That could be the reason you aren't doing well with the puck bunnies any more.

And even if you hadn't died you'd be 93. Viagra can only help so much.

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anon
The guy is right. Half of the kids on a good D-1 club team could easily make a D-3 roster. What was it a few years ago UNH was pulling a few kids up to their varsity from club? Many kids just don't want the hassles of higher pressure hockey.
Keep living the dream buddy

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Anon
To the guy who always tries to trash club hockey -

“Congratulations to former Providence Hockey Club player Matt Boldy on being selected MVP of the USA Hockey All American Prospects Game last night in St. Paul Minnesota.”

Ummmm, Matt Boldy is 17, plays for the NTDP and is committed to BC for 2019/20. He didn't play ACHA hockey.

Do you guys seriously not know the difference between the Providence Hockey Club and the Providence College club hockey team?

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anon
Anon
To the guy who always tries to trash club hockey -

“Congratulations to former Providence Hockey Club player Matt Boldy on being selected MVP of the USA Hockey All American Prospects Game last night in St. Paul Minnesota.”

Ummmm, Matt Boldy is 17, plays for the NTDP and is committed to BC for 2019/20. He didn't play ACHA hockey.

Do you guys seriously not know the difference between the Providence Hockey Club and the Providence College club hockey team?
The original poster is a complete idiot.

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I don’t think the gap between younger club kids and d 3 kids is very wide. However no chance they get enough ice to keep up as juniors or seniors. So basically a 18 year old freshmen playing club is right in there with a 21 year old d 3 freshmen. Hahahha

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Spot on. If my kid doesn't look like he's playing D-1 he's playing club. Forget the 'honor' of D-3. no thanks.

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Club hockey is a great option if you don't want your sport to interfere with your social and party life.

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when i was a kid i always wanted to play hockey, it was really my dream, but unfortunately my parents were against hockey, my dad wanted me to study well
so now its too late and i can only check statistics at 777score.com
btw now we are going to create with friends our hockey team, will what it will look like:)

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Please don't drink and d-board...

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Anon
Please don't drink and d-board...
Fantasy geek. Drinking is part of the lure. As is living out your childhood dreams of actually being a pro athlete, apparently.

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D-3 hockey is a mystery to me. I've gone to games and it's O.K. hockey, some of the players look old enough to be mid-level managers at some business and as they get older they seem to be fatter than the young guys, maybe it's all of that beer drinking at 'the hockey house,' who knows. But really, practicing 4-5 days a week, travel all over the region for games, getting in late on school nights from away games, the pressure to win! win! win!, no scholarship money the list goes on and for what? Glory in front of your parents and a few classmates? Time to give up the dream boys and hit the books.

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So what you are saying is that D 3 hockey, and I guess by extension D 3 athletics ( or if you want to take it to the extreme any college athletics other than D 1 where scholarship money is offered is a waste of time and all of these athletes should just quit and focus solely on academics?

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What he is saying is, his kid was quickly skilled out of contention for any level of collegiate hockey. It still stings that he spent so much time and money on youth hockey.

His kid is either playing rec-club hockey or got cut by a club team and he feels like he got screwed. So he shows up to a youth hockey message board to spew his rage because he is triggered by his kid's failures.

Standard operating procedure for a whack job hockey dad who's kid got cut.

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anon
D-3 hockey is a mystery to me. I've gone to games and it's O.K. hockey, some of the players look old enough to be mid-level managers at some business and as they get older they seem to be fatter than the young guys, maybe it's all of that beer drinking at 'the hockey house,' who knows. But really, practicing 4-5 days a week, travel all over the region for games, getting in late on school nights from away games, the pressure to win! win! win!, no scholarship money the list goes on and for what? Glory in front of your parents and a few classmates? Time to give up the dream boys and hit the books.
The mystery to me is parental the obsession with D-I scholarship money, passed on to the kids. So many families pumping tens of thousands of dollars into development for six to eight years and Prep school so they can get - tens of thousands of dollars in scholarship money for two to four years.

Maybe.

But let's say your kid gets one of those D-I spots. Let's say he even gets one of those 2 for 4 scholarships. It probably isn't the school you would have selected for him if he weren't a hockey player. It probably isn't the location you would have chosen. And he, too, is told to go play Juniors until he's 21. Then he gets there and there are 30+ kids with the same deal he got.

He, too, is told to practice and train 40 hours a week. He's also told what his major should be, and what classes to take so they don't interfere with his role in generating a revenue stream for the school.

Then he graduates in four years - maybe - with a pretty much useless degree.

Compare that to the same athlete that decides to go the D-III route. The hockey at the best D-III schools is at least equal to mid-level D-I, and better than low end D-I. But, chances are you and he had more of a say in what school he chose, and what his major is.

Then he graduates in four years - maybe - with a degree he can actually use.

Everything else you talked about is the same for the D-I and D-III athlete. The only difference is maybe $20 - $30K in scholarship money in total, which he may have gotten for academic or financial reasons from the D-III school of his choice.

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Talk about a whack job hockey dad - "The hockey at the best D-III schools is at least equal to mid-level D-I, and better than low end D-I." Please dad, you kid wasn't good enough to play D-1.

Let me guess dad, you spent all of that money on prep school and insist it was all 'for the education' and you feel like you have to show up to a youth hockey message board to spew your garbage about how good D-3 hockey is and to justify your kid being a 22 year old freshmen at one of those incredible NESCAC schools when you had Hockey East dreams for the boy since learn to skate.

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anon
Talk about a whack job hockey dad - "The hockey at the best D-III schools is at least equal to mid-level D-I, and better than low end D-I." Please dad, you kid wasn't good enough to play D-1.

Let me guess dad, you spent all of that money on prep school and insist it was all 'for the education' and you feel like you have to show up to a youth hockey message board to spew your garbage about how good D-3 hockey is and to justify your kid being a 22 year old freshmen at one of those incredible NESCAC schools when you had Hockey East dreams for the boy since learn to skate.
It's a Junior and College Hockey message board, asshat. You're the one that belongs back on the Kiddie Board.

If you think they are playing better hockey at Lake Superior State or Alabama Huntsville than at Salve or Trinity, then you are showing your ignorance. And if sending your kid to school on the U.P. or the Deep South is your idea of preparing your kid for life after college, then you don't know or care about your kid.

But, hey, it's impressive on those interviews to be judged as a Yooper or a Redneck.

I know you think telling me my kid isn't good enough for D-I is supposed to sting, but it doesn't. See, I do know my kid, and he doesn't want to sit in a lecture hall with 200 kids. It isn't conducive to his learning. Because college, just like those Prep Schools you clearly envy, really is about education first.

And, unlike you, I saved up for college so I don't need that elusive athletic scholarship. You know, the one you think your kid is in line for.

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So sending your kid to one of those D-III academic powerhouses like SNHU or UMass-Dartmouth is your idea of preparing your kid for life after college then good luck to you. I'm with the other guy, pick a great school - not one of your prep school / D-III schools up in the woods no one outside of New England has ever heard of - and let the kid play for fun. No crime in that.

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anon
So sending your kid to one of those D-III academic powerhouses like SNHU or UMass-Dartmouth is your idea of preparing your kid for life after college then good luck to you. I'm with the other guy, pick a great school - not one of your prep school / D-III schools up in the woods no one outside of New England has ever heard of - and let the kid play for fun. No crime in that.
There is no crime your kid couldn't play college hockey. But your indictment of D3 sports makes you look like a total tool.

There are about 450 schools and 100,000 students playing D3 sports, they aren't wrong, you are.

#sorryyourkidcouldntmakeit

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anon
So sending your kid to one of those D-III academic powerhouses like SNHU or UMass-Dartmouth is your idea of preparing your kid for life after college then good luck to you. I'm with the other guy, pick a great school - not one of your prep school / D-III schools up in the woods no one outside of New England has ever heard of - and let the kid play for fun. No crime in that.
How do you get SNHU and UMass New Bedford from Trinity and Salve?

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anon
So sending your kid to one of those D-III academic powerhouses like SNHU or UMass-Dartmouth is your idea of preparing your kid for life after college then good luck to you. I'm with the other guy, pick a great school - not one of your prep school / D-III schools up in the woods no one outside of New England has ever heard of - and let the kid play for fun. No crime in that.
SNHU is D-II

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Anon
anon
So sending your kid to one of those D-III academic powerhouses like SNHU or UMass-Dartmouth is your idea of preparing your kid for life after college then good luck to you. I\'m with the other guy, pick a great school - not one of your prep school / D-III schools up in the woods no one outside of New England has ever heard of - and let the kid play for fun. No crime in that.
SNHU is D-II
SNHU is a bad school & worse at hockey.

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Being an athlete who can be a varsity athlete at a DIII school can help you get in, even if your grades are a bit below their usual admissions cut offs. As a teacher and coach, I had a number of kids go to Amherst, Williams, Bowdoin and Tufts because they could help a varsity team. They would not have been admitted with out the coach's push. Also, these athletes, when it came to financial aid, they got grants, not loans.

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Pops
Being an athlete who can be a varsity athlete at a DIII school can help you get in, even if your grades are a bit below their usual admissions cut offs. As a teacher and coach, I had a number of kids go to Amherst, Williams, Bowdoin and Tufts because they could help a varsity team. They would not have been admitted with out the coach's push. Also, these athletes, when it came to financial aid, they got grants, not loans.
Exactly. But most of these guys don't want to hear how hockey talent can translate to advantages other than D1. Many NESCAC athletes get grants and scholarships donated by alumnae for athletes.

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Anon
Pops
Being an athlete who can be a varsity athlete at a DIII school can help you get in, even if your grades are a bit below their usual admissions cut offs. As a teacher and coach, I had a number of kids go to Amherst, Williams, Bowdoin and Tufts because they could help a varsity team. They would not have been admitted with out the coach\'s push. Also, these athletes, when it came to financial aid, they got grants, not loans.
Exactly. But most of there guys don\'t want to hear how hockey talent can translate to other advantages than D1. Many NESCAC athletes get grants and scholarships donated by alumnae for athletes.
Seems to me that if a kid can play hockey for 4 years and graduate from Tufts, Babson, or Amherst with a degree in Economics, he's doing pretty well.

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Yeah, those 5-6 kids per year that pull off a reasonable GPA in a meaningful major while playing hockey at one of those three schools, yeah they should do well. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

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I would really love to know what the kids whose parents diss D-III hockey are doing.

Anyone that actually has a kid playing college hockey knows how much of an achievement that is, how many really good players are trying to land those spots, and how razor thin the difference in ability can be.

Only a punk parent whose kid actually plays/played D-I would look down on a D-III player, because they were probably pretty close to seeing their kid on that path, too.

Any parent whose kid has left the game instead of playing D-III knows it was either a really hard decision for their kid if they were good enough to play for a good D-III program, or that deep down they didn't really have a choice.

And any youth parent that isn't there yet? You're in for a huge surprise when it actually comes time. So remember your comments in a few years when you're hoping that spot at UMass Boston comes through for your kid.

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Excellent

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My son played DI. I have great respect for kids who play DIII. Most were just one step away from DI. They play very good hockey. Watch a Norwich, Babson, or Middlebury game and you will see how good these kids are. They might be a bit smaller or a half step slower than a DI player, but they are stall very good.

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anon
I would really love to know what the kids whose parents diss D-III hockey are doing.

Anyone that actually has a kid playing college hockey knows how much of an achievement that is, how many really good players are trying to land those spots, and how razor thin the difference in ability can be.

Only a punk parent whose kid actually plays/played D-I would look down on a D-III player, because they were probably pretty close to seeing their kid on that path, too.

Any parent whose kid has left the game instead of playing D-III knows it was either a really hard decision for their kid if they were good enough to play for a good D-III program, or that deep down they didn't really have a choice.

And any youth parent that isn't there yet? You're in for a huge surprise when it actually comes time. So remember your comments in a few years when you're hoping that spot at UMass Boston comes through for your kid.
Post of the year.

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Hardly. To take a lesser academic situation in the name of a fun game with no future, it is hardly this noble pursuit. At some age the kid needs to grow up and focus on their future. My son was D-3 ready out of high school and had a spot on a top junior team and elected to take a pass on the dream of D-1 hockey for a great academic opportunity. What a waste of 2 years of juniors and a spot at Western Michigan University looks to be now.

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Anon
Hardly. To take a lesser academic situation in the name of a fun game with no future, it is hardly this noble pursuit. At some age the kid needs to grow up and focus on their future. My son was D-3 ready out of high school and had a spot on a top junior team and elected to take a pass on the dream of D-1 hockey for a great academic opportunity. What a waste of 2 years of juniors and a spot at Western Michigan University looks to be now.
Some would say that pursuing one's passion is nobler than following convention.

I'd be willing to wager that the same "great academic opportunity" would have been there for your kid either way. Smart doesn't go away overnight.

And, there's something to be said for the discipline it takes to be a student athlete, too. Different types of life lessons. Different forms of self-actualization.

But you go ahead and keep looking down your nose at the choices others make. You are right, after all.

Aren't you?

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I'd say the guy is right. So let's say the kid is good, gets a shot at either the USHL or NAHL but also gets admitted to a top 20 school with a great financial package. The kid might be able to hold their spot at the school but the financial package might not be there. Yeah for sure move on and if you love the game play club. Any parent who says 'oh son, follow your dreams! You're only young once!" is an idiot.

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anon
I'd say the guy is right. So let's say the kid is good, gets a shot at either the USHL or NAHL but also gets admitted to a top 20 school with a great financial package. The kid might be able to hold their spot at the school but the financial package might not be there. Yeah for sure move on and if you love the game play club. Any parent who says 'oh son, follow your dreams! You're only young once!" is an idiot.
Truly sad how many parents assess the whole college thing based on $$$.

Guess you missed the entire 10 year bull market, eh?

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So then something like this comes across my screen and it reminded me of this thread. Kid plays two years of Juniors, played in both the playoffs and 'Top Prospects Tournament,' did some time in the NAHL, 64 points in 34 games (really?) and he ends-up at D-III St. Mary's University -

St. Mary's University of Minnesota is a private institution that was founded in 1912. It has a total undergraduate enrollment of 1,503, its setting is city, and the campus size is 350 acres. It utilizes a semester-based academic calendar. St. Mary's University of Minnesota's ranking in the 2019 edition of Best Colleges is Regional Universities Midwest, 50. Its tuition and fees are $35,110 (2018-19).

The 50th ranked regional university in the Midwest for $35K a year.


Story below



Chill forward Lindauer makes NCAA commitment
OCTOBER 8, 2018

The Coulee Region Chill of the NA3HL are pleased to announce that veteran forward Brady Lindauer has committed to play NCAA Division III hockey at Saint Mary’s University in the MIAC.

Lindauer, 19, is in his second season playing junior hockey, which has been primarily spent in the NA3HL, also with some time in the NAHL. The 5’10/180 lbs. native of Cary, Illinois, is off to a good start this season with the Chill, having recorded six points in the first three games of the season.

During the 2017-18 season Lindauer split time with the Chill in the NAHL and the La Crosse Freeze in the NA3HL. In seven NAHL games, Lindauer had one point. He then thrived in the NA3HL for the Freeze, recording 64 points (16 goals, 48 assists) in just 34 regular season games, which ranked 2nd in team scoring.

Lindauer also had four points in eight playoff games. He was also selected to and played in the 2018 NA3HL Top Prospects Tournament for the Blue (Central/Coastal Division) team.

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So what you're saying is maybe this kid should have just played club hockey at some O.K. university?

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Correct. The problems lies in there being too many 'junior' leagues feeding this stupidity, too many delusional parents and there is no maximum age for college hockey players. All this needs to be fixed but the money is too good.

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80% of D-3 is just glorified club. The students on campus don't even realize its there and the hockey is all the last guys who still care.

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There is nothing wrong with getting a good education from St. Mary's in Minnesota (or another school like that). It's one of the Minnesota private schools that plays in the MIAC. Winona, MN is a nice town nestled along the Wisconsin border, a fun college town with Winona State University (NCAA D2, NSIC) located there too. A degree from that school and being a varsity hockey player there will open up doors for this kid in the Minneapolis/St. Paul area once he graduates. That network of Minnesota private school alums stick together.

It would not shock me one bit if his financial package included a sizeable amount of grant money. While these schools don't give out athletic scholarships they are often well endowed and the financial packages they can put together make them as/or more affordable than a state school, sometimes even tuition free. Keep in mind, out-of-state tuition at a Big Ten school runs about $35-$40k per year while in-state will still run you about $20k.

The amazing part to me is that this kid put up some points in the NAHL and still got shuffled down to the NA3 and is now going to play NCAA D3 hockey. It just shows you how hard it is and how tough the competition is once you get up to those levels of play.

I realize this is an east coast board so you might not understand how things work in the Midwest. This kid will be just fine and will do well for himself in life if he stays on the right path and works hard.

And no, I am not the kid's mom or dad, just someone who can offer some perspective.

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Anon
There is nothing wrong with getting a good education from St. Mary's in Minnesota (or another school like that). It's one of the Minnesota private schools that plays in the MIAC. Winona, MN is a nice town nestled along the Wisconsin border, a fun college town with Winona State University (NCAA D2, NSIC) located there too. A degree from that school and being a varsity hockey player there will open up doors for this kid in the Minneapolis/St. Paul area once he graduates. That network of Minnesota private school alums stick together.

It would not shock me one bit if his financial package included a sizeable amount of grant money. While these schools don't give out athletic scholarships they are often well endowed and the financial packages they can put together make them as/or more affordable than a state school, sometimes even tuition free. Keep in mind, out-of-state tuition at a Big Ten school runs about $35-$40k per year while in-state will still run you about $20k.

The amazing part to me is that this kid put up some points in the NAHL and still got shuffled down to the NA3 and is now going to play NCAA D3 hockey. It just shows you how hard it is and how tough the competition is once you get up to those levels of play.

I realize this is an east coast board so you might not understand how things work in the Midwest. This kid will be just fine and will do well for himself in life if he stays on the right path and works hard.

And no, I am not the kid's mom or dad, just someone who can offer some perspective.
When you can get in-state tuition for 10K-14K and some of the best universities in the country (WI, MN) there is no need to go to a third rate university in the Midwest. I agree, club hockey sounds like a good choice however a D-3 kid would have a hard time making club hockey in MN or WI so it sounds more like an intramural team for this guy.

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12:02 (and others) try to make the point that 2 years of Juniors and even high-level Juniors experience isn't a guaranteed pathway to good college hockey and a coveted degree. I get it.

But don't manipulate the facts in this story.

Yes the kid had 60+ points in 34 NA3HL games - but the NAHL numbers tell more of the story - "....In seven NAHL games, Lindauer had one point."

It's very likely that the soon-to-be over-ager was not getting any legitimate looks from NAHL teams for 2018-19 and he made the decision that playing college hockey was important to him.....hence the move to St. Mary's.

There are going to be hundreds of kids who do the same. Maybe they get a taste of minimal or quasi-academics during their time in Juniors, and realize that going to a challenging/top school is not for them. Nor is going to a huge state university and fighting to make the club team.

To each their own.

But let's not confuse his situation with other NAHL kids who are well below 19 and producing .5+ PPG.

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anon
Anon
anon
So sending your kid to one of those D-III academic powerhouses like SNHU or UMass-Dartmouth is your idea of preparing your kid for life after college then good luck to you. I\\\'m with the other guy, pick a great school - not one of your prep school / D-III schools up in the woods no one outside of New England has ever heard of - and let the kid play for fun. No crime in that.
SNHU is D-II
SNHU is a bad school & worse at hockey.
Hahahaha! An online college has D-2 hockey?

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Let's see, two years of juniors, D-3 at a little no name school or good known school at 18 and club hockey. As a parent it's a no brainer.

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I don't disagree. I only hope that if and when my kid is faced with that decision, I have the balls to let him make it on his own.

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Anon
I don't disagree. I only hope that if and when my kid is faced with that decision, I have the balls to let him make it on his own.
This is hard for most parents to do as they have sunk a tremendous amount of time and money into their kid's hockey career over the years and to then have it come to an end playing club is unpalatable to most. Not saying this is my view. Not to mention that just a few years prior many of these kids were the stars of their elite teams, daddy boasting at the office, mom trumpeting her little studs accomplishments around the rink. Big talk of playing college hockey and now, .... meh.