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To the guy who always tries to trash club hockey -
“Congratulations to former Providence Hockey Club player Matt Boldy on being selected MVP of the USA Hockey All American Prospects Game last night in St. Paul Minnesota.”
Umm... either you are a great troll or you have zero clue
Boldy played for 01 Capitals when he was a mite; left in squirts. 01 Kings recruited him and Struble, their 2 best players. Kings still weren't as good as 01 Flames, or maybe even the 01 Eagles.
The guy is right. Half of the kids on a good D-1 club team could easily make a D-3 roster. What was it a few years ago UNH was pulling a few kids up to their varsity from club? Many kids just don't want the hassles of higher pressure hockey.
Well there have been many kids who have recently opted out of playing serious college hockey. And when you see kids giving up the dream from the USHL / NAHL and selecting club hockey it makes you wonder. Plus I've been to many of the local D-3 rinks and I ask myself if my son would rather be going to a SNHU or UMass-Dartmouth and playing in front of 130 classmates and parents or going to a school like Georgia or Florida and playing in front of a couple thousand screaming coeds, well I'm starting to get it. The reality is the difference in actual on-ice play is pretty thin and both cases they end-up in the beer league so why not bring on the coeds?
I play recreational hockey + still can't get laid. Am I missing something?
I don’t think the gap between younger club kids and d 3 kids is very wide. However no chance they get enough ice to keep up as juniors or seniors. So basically a 18 year old freshmen playing club is right in there with a 21 year old d 3 freshmen. Hahahha
Spot on. If my kid doesn't look like he's playing D-1 he's playing club. Forget the 'honor' of D-3. no thanks.
Club hockey is a great option if you don't want your sport to interfere with your social and party life.
when i was a kid i always wanted to play hockey, it was really my dream, but unfortunately my parents were against hockey, my dad wanted me to study well
so now its too late and i can only check statistics at 777score.com
btw now we are going to create with friends our hockey team, will what it will look like:)
Please don't drink and d-board...
D-3 hockey is a mystery to me. I've gone to games and it's O.K. hockey, some of the players look old enough to be mid-level managers at some business and as they get older they seem to be fatter than the young guys, maybe it's all of that beer drinking at 'the hockey house,' who knows. But really, practicing 4-5 days a week, travel all over the region for games, getting in late on school nights from away games, the pressure to win! win! win!, no scholarship money the list goes on and for what? Glory in front of your parents and a few classmates? Time to give up the dream boys and hit the books.
So what you are saying is that D 3 hockey, and I guess by extension D 3 athletics ( or if you want to take it to the extreme any college athletics other than D 1 where scholarship money is offered is a waste of time and all of these athletes should just quit and focus solely on academics?
What he is saying is, his kid was quickly skilled out of contention for any level of collegiate hockey. It still stings that he spent so much time and money on youth hockey.
His kid is either playing rec-club hockey or got cut by a club team and he feels like he got screwed. So he shows up to a youth hockey message board to spew his rage because he is triggered by his kid's failures.
Standard operating procedure for a whack job hockey dad who's kid got cut.
Talk about a whack job hockey dad - "The hockey at the best D-III schools is at least equal to mid-level D-I, and better than low end D-I." Please dad, you kid wasn't good enough to play D-1.
Let me guess dad, you spent all of that money on prep school and insist it was all 'for the education' and you feel like you have to show up to a youth hockey message board to spew your garbage about how good D-3 hockey is and to justify your kid being a 22 year old freshmen at one of those incredible NESCAC schools when you had Hockey East dreams for the boy since learn to skate.
So sending your kid to one of those D-III academic powerhouses like SNHU or UMass-Dartmouth is your idea of preparing your kid for life after college then good luck to you. I'm with the other guy, pick a great school - not one of your prep school / D-III schools up in the woods no one outside of New England has ever heard of - and let the kid play for fun. No crime in that.
Being an athlete who can be a varsity athlete at a DIII school can help you get in, even if your grades are a bit below their usual admissions cut offs. As a teacher and coach, I had a number of kids go to Amherst, Williams, Bowdoin and Tufts because they could help a varsity team. They would not have been admitted with out the coach's push. Also, these athletes, when it came to financial aid, they got grants, not loans.
Yeah, those 5-6 kids per year that pull off a reasonable GPA in a meaningful major while playing hockey at one of those three schools, yeah they should do well. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
I would really love to know what the kids whose parents diss D-III hockey are doing.
Anyone that actually has a kid playing college hockey knows how much of an achievement that is, how many really good players are trying to land those spots, and how razor thin the difference in ability can be.
Only a punk parent whose kid actually plays/played D-I would look down on a D-III player, because they were probably pretty close to seeing their kid on that path, too.
Any parent whose kid has left the game instead of playing D-III knows it was either a really hard decision for their kid if they were good enough to play for a good D-III program, or that deep down they didn't really have a choice.
And any youth parent that isn't there yet? You're in for a huge surprise when it actually comes time. So remember your comments in a few years when you're hoping that spot at UMass Boston comes through for your kid.
My son played DI. I have great respect for kids who play DIII. Most were just one step away from DI. They play very good hockey. Watch a Norwich, Babson, or Middlebury game and you will see how good these kids are. They might be a bit smaller or a half step slower than a DI player, but they are stall very good.
Hardly. To take a lesser academic situation in the name of a fun game with no future, it is hardly this noble pursuit. At some age the kid needs to grow up and focus on their future. My son was D-3 ready out of high school and had a spot on a top junior team and elected to take a pass on the dream of D-1 hockey for a great academic opportunity. What a waste of 2 years of juniors and a spot at Western Michigan University looks to be now.
I'd say the guy is right. So let's say the kid is good, gets a shot at either the USHL or NAHL but also gets admitted to a top 20 school with a great financial package. The kid might be able to hold their spot at the school but the financial package might not be there. Yeah for sure move on and if you love the game play club. Any parent who says 'oh son, follow your dreams! You're only young once!" is an idiot.
So then something like this comes across my screen and it reminded me of this thread. Kid plays two years of Juniors, played in both the playoffs and 'Top Prospects Tournament,' did some time in the NAHL, 64 points in 34 games (really?) and he ends-up at D-III St. Mary's University -
St. Mary's University of Minnesota is a private institution that was founded in 1912. It has a total undergraduate enrollment of 1,503, its setting is city, and the campus size is 350 acres. It utilizes a semester-based academic calendar. St. Mary's University of Minnesota's ranking in the 2019 edition of Best Colleges is Regional Universities Midwest, 50. Its tuition and fees are $35,110 (2018-19).
The 50th ranked regional university in the Midwest for $35K a year.
Chill forward Lindauer makes NCAA commitment
OCTOBER 8, 2018
The Coulee Region Chill of the NA3HL are pleased to announce that veteran forward Brady Lindauer has committed to play NCAA Division III hockey at Saint Mary’s University in the MIAC.
Lindauer, 19, is in his second season playing junior hockey, which has been primarily spent in the NA3HL, also with some time in the NAHL. The 5’10/180 lbs. native of Cary, Illinois, is off to a good start this season with the Chill, having recorded six points in the first three games of the season.
During the 2017-18 season Lindauer split time with the Chill in the NAHL and the La Crosse Freeze in the NA3HL. In seven NAHL games, Lindauer had one point. He then thrived in the NA3HL for the Freeze, recording 64 points (16 goals, 48 assists) in just 34 regular season games, which ranked 2nd in team scoring.
Lindauer also had four points in eight playoff games. He was also selected to and played in the 2018 NA3HL Top Prospects Tournament for the Blue (Central/Coastal Division) team.
So what you're saying is maybe this kid should have just played club hockey at some O.K. university?
Correct. The problems lies in there being too many 'junior' leagues feeding this stupidity, too many delusional parents and there is no maximum age for college hockey players. All this needs to be fixed but the money is too good.
80% of D-3 is just glorified club. The students on campus don't even realize its there and the hockey is all the last guys who still care.
There is nothing wrong with getting a good education from St. Mary's in Minnesota (or another school like that). It's one of the Minnesota private schools that plays in the MIAC. Winona, MN is a nice town nestled along the Wisconsin border, a fun college town with Winona State University (NCAA D2, NSIC) located there too. A degree from that school and being a varsity hockey player there will open up doors for this kid in the Minneapolis/St. Paul area once he graduates. That network of Minnesota private school alums stick together.
It would not shock me one bit if his financial package included a sizeable amount of grant money. While these schools don't give out athletic scholarships they are often well endowed and the financial packages they can put together make them as/or more affordable than a state school, sometimes even tuition free. Keep in mind, out-of-state tuition at a Big Ten school runs about $35-$40k per year while in-state will still run you about $20k.
The amazing part to me is that this kid put up some points in the NAHL and still got shuffled down to the NA3 and is now going to play NCAA D3 hockey. It just shows you how hard it is and how tough the competition is once you get up to those levels of play.
I realize this is an east coast board so you might not understand how things work in the Midwest. This kid will be just fine and will do well for himself in life if he stays on the right path and works hard.
And no, I am not the kid's mom or dad, just someone who can offer some perspective.
12:02 (and others) try to make the point that 2 years of Juniors and even high-level Juniors experience isn't a guaranteed pathway to good college hockey and a coveted degree. I get it.
But don't manipulate the facts in this story.
Yes the kid had 60+ points in 34 NA3HL games - but the NAHL numbers tell more of the story - "....In seven NAHL games, Lindauer had one point."
It's very likely that the soon-to-be over-ager was not getting any legitimate looks from NAHL teams for 2018-19 and he made the decision that playing college hockey was important to him.....hence the move to St. Mary's.
There are going to be hundreds of kids who do the same. Maybe they get a taste of minimal or quasi-academics during their time in Juniors, and realize that going to a challenging/top school is not for them. Nor is going to a huge state university and fighting to make the club team.
To each their own.
But let's not confuse his situation with other NAHL kids who are well below 19 and producing .5+ PPG.
Let's see, two years of juniors, D-3 at a little no name school or good known school at 18 and club hockey. As a parent it's a no brainer.
I don't disagree. I only hope that if and when my kid is faced with that decision, I have the balls to let him make it on his own.