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Re: USPHL Premier

Premier is tough, each teams starting 5 are usually good then downhill after that. Programs with an NCDC team are usually stronger because they will move players between the 2 teams at times, but 1 or 2 kids who are bubble NCDC usually light it up in Premier and get a ton of ice. Unfortunately, no matter where you go the reality is that no scouts are watching. Maybe a few local D3 or ACHA once a year but that’s it.
Also, not much of a development model, think flow drills and PP at practices. I would consider EHL, it’s a better development model and closer relationship to D3 schools.

Re: USPHL Premier

Some comments about the New England and Mid-Atlantic divisions already. Florida and Southeast have some good programs too.

Looking at the rest of the Premier, the Midwest East (Detroit/Chicago) and Midwest West (Minnesota/Wisconsin) are solid and get scouted by the 3 area D3 leagues. A lot of good local talent to draw from with good Minesota, Michigan, and Wisconsin HS hockey in the area. Midwest West might be the most competitive division top to bottom as even the 7,8,9 teams in the division will play teams hard and move a kid or two on to college hockey.

I wouldn't go further west than the Midwest. I think there are some good teams out in the Mountain, Northwest, and Pacific divisions but they're relatively new to the USPHL so I really don't know much about them or if they have any track record of moving players on. There just isn't D3 hockey out west. There are some good ACHA D1 programs though.


The Florida, Mid-Atlantic, Midwest East, Midwest West, New England, and Southeast divisions all have some good programs in their divisions. The league has grown so big, diverse, and is nationwide so it's hard to put a label on the entire Premier. You really do have to look at it by division. Good luck finding a program that is a good fit.

Re: USPHL Premier

Personally, NA3HL is the direction I would lean. Either with a NAHL or without, there is pros and cons with both scenarios.

Lots of wolves in sheep's clothing out there in the Junior world, please be careful and do your homework

Re: USPHL Premier

Stay east of the Missouri River.

Short of a MN-based team, get as close to the Atlantic Ocean as possible. The west is just a fund raiser for the NCDC.

Re: USPHL Premier

Take a look at the scoring leaders..either its the weakest league in Jr hockey or this league has the most "late bloomers" in the history of hockey. Leader with 58 points in 16 games, why is this kid not in NCDC or NAHL? 291 players with 1 PPG or Better.

Re: USPHL Premier

Anon
Take a look at the scoring leaders..either its the weakest league in Jr hockey or this league has the most \"late bloomers\" in the history of hockey. Leader with 58 points in 16 games, why is this kid not in NCDC or NAHL? 291 players with 1 PPG or Better.

My kid had a teammate in Premiere once who was lights out. Scoring 2+ points per game. He carried the team at times.

Kid's problem was he would score a big goal in a tight game, then skate by the opponents bench and spit onto their bench or the like. He was constantly getting tossed from games for ridiculous/unsportsmanlike behaviors. He could not help himself. Still playing Premiere, when many other less flashy teammates have moved on.

There is no way an NCDC or NA team was going to take a chance on him because he always found a way to hurt the team more than he helped it.

Re: USPHL Premier

Fritz
Anon
Take a look at the scoring leaders..either its the weakest league in Jr hockey or this league has the most \\\"late bloomers\\\" in the history of hockey. Leader with 58 points in 16 games, why is this kid not in NCDC or NAHL? 291 players with 1 PPG or Better.

My kid had a teammate in Premiere once who was lights out. Scoring 2+ points per game. He carried the team at times.

Kid's problem was he would score a big goal in a tight game, then skate by the opponents bench and spit onto their bench or the like. He was constantly getting tossed from games for ridiculous/unsportsmanlike behaviors. He could not help himself. Still playing Premiere, when many other less flashy teammates have moved on.

There is no way an NCDC or NA team was going to take a chance on him because he always found a way to hurt the team more than he helped it.
Fritz, what are you rambling about? No kid who spits at opponents deserves to even play the sport in todays world.
The point is, kids have always been told to produce at the level you are at in order to move to the next level, that obviously does not occur in the USPHL.

Re: USPHL Premier

Ignore the player stats.
Sure some good players but most of the western teams are weaker, and any decent player out west pads their stats playing against them regularly.
Then at tournaments they play eastern teams with much different results.

Re: USPHL Premier

Do most teams in this league do Film? My son talked to a player he went to prep with last year and his team has not watched 1 second of film. Sound right? They did about 2 hours a week of film last year and now, zero. I would ask the players who are there now before making your decision. Film is just as important to practice for many players. Seeing is believing.

Re: USPHL Premier

Honestly, if your division doesn't put lineups in Rinknet every game, then your playing hockey just to play. Nobody is following you, Premier is where dreams go to die.

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Let us tell you exactly what is wrong with this division. Just today we went to scout a NE Division Premier game, we had our eyes on 2 players from the same team. Before the game, the kid had x goals and x assists. We watched the entire game, both players played well, 1 had a nice assist, lived up to our expectations. After the game, we spoke to the player, congratulated him on a good game and the assist. We literally just looked at the game sheet and he was not credited the point, no big deal, right? Well, not only was he not given the point, but his point total went DOWN from this morning. Like his OWN team took points off his official resume.
I don't even know what to say about this, kid is one of the hardest working players in that entire division, I want to text the kid but feel like its not my place, but that is such a slime move. That's why this league is 90% trash and scouts don't like it because the information is bad. When your OWN team is taking points off of you, its just bad.

Re: USPHL Premier

Anon
Let us tell you exactly what is wrong with this division. Just today we went to scout a NE Division Premier game, we had our eyes on 2 players from the same team. Before the game, the kid had x goals and x assists. We watched the entire game, both players played well, 1 had a nice assist, lived up to our expectations. After the game, we spoke to the player, congratulated him on a good game and the assist. We literally just looked at the game sheet and he was not credited the point, no big deal, right? Well, not only was he not given the point, but his point total went DOWN from this morning. Like his OWN team took points off his official resume.
I don't even know what to say about this, kid is one of the hardest working players in that entire division, I want to text the kid but feel like its not my place, but that is such a slime move. That's why this league is 90% trash and scouts don't like it because the information is bad. When your OWN team is taking points off of you, its just bad.
So I did text the kid and just got his response “It’s whatever, I’m on first line, and all special teams, double shifted..but I have no points. I think anyone with a brain can see through that. They can take all of my points away, i compete every shift, can’t nobody take that away. Thanks for letting me know coach.” This is why we want kids like this at our school! Great character, mature.

Re: USPHL Premier

Be sure to use instat to make your own clips. Video tells your story much better than a coaches modified stat line. Be in charge of your own recruiting. My son played premier, stat line was 32 GP. 11G. 20 A.. we used instat videos to make a quick 2.75 minute video. He had 15G and 32 A. He brought it up to the coach and he said “we have to share what we got”. Imagine that, at the Jr level, modifying score sheets.

Re: USPHL Premier

Scouting this league is very frustrating, I cover the Northeast and Mid Atlantic and I cant find correct stats anywhere.
The USPHL player page shows a kid has 10 points in say 8 games, but you look at the G and A ON THE SAME PAGE and it adds up to 12 points. How can the SAME page be wrong. Then on Elite Prospects it shows 9 games (wrong) with 7 points.
This is my first year exploring this league and the stats in this league are ALL bogus. I have seen some really good players in these 2 divisions but I don't understand how coaches can get a clear picture of any player. For what these kids pay to play here you would think it would be a little more professional with stat keeping.

Re: USPHL Premier

Anon
Anon
Let us tell you exactly what is wrong with this division. Just today we went to scout a NE Division Premier game, we had our eyes on 2 players from the same team. Before the game, the kid had x goals and x assists. We watched the entire game, both players played well, 1 had a nice assist, lived up to our expectations. After the game, we spoke to the player, congratulated him on a good game and the assist. We literally just looked at the game sheet and he was not credited the point, no big deal, right? Well, not only was he not given the point, but his point total went DOWN from this morning. Like his OWN team took points off his official resume.
I don\'t even know what to say about this, kid is one of the hardest working players in that entire division, I want to text the kid but feel like its not my place, but that is such a slime move. That\'s why this league is 90% trash and scouts don\'t like it because the information is bad. When your OWN team is taking points off of you, its just bad.
So I did text the kid and just got his response “It’s whatever, I’m on first line, and all special teams, double shifted..but I have no points. I think anyone with a brain can see through that. They can take all of my points away, i compete every shift, can’t nobody take that away. Thanks for letting me know coach.” This is why we want kids like this at our school! Great character, mature.
Same kid, same thing happened to him today. I don’t get it. Coach, promote your players, we want them, but you look stupid by padding other players stats when we see it happen live in person. Kid plays in all situations every game, hardest worker in the ice, give him the points he gets. Again, spoke to the kid after the game, he says “whatever, I don’t care, coaches are calling, so they know what’s up”

Re: USPHL Premier

So is the consensus that stats don't matter in Tier III Jr Hockey? Is it basically thought of as every kid is close to the same so who cares what the stats are? Just trying to wrap my head around the idea that stats don't matter and they are knowingly wrong but league coaches really don't care. So if I look at a roster, should I assume that the kid with 20 points in 17 games is the same the kid with 4 points in 17 games? Totally lost.

Re: USPHL Premier

Anon
So is the consensus that stats don't matter in Tier III Jr Hockey? Is it basically thought of as every kid is close to the same so who cares what the stats are? Just trying to wrap my head around the idea that stats don't matter and they are knowingly wrong but league coaches really don't care. So if I look at a roster, should I assume that the kid with 20 points in 17 games is the same the kid with 4 points in 17 games? Totally lost.
Do not listen to this idiot.

Yea stats are missed at all levels, and some programs are better at it than other.

But...you think someone went and scouted a premier game, was mad a kid wasnt credited with an assist, spoke to the kid after about it and then came here to post that the kid is the hardest working kid in the league.

Ya... the scout is the only one concerned that they gave this kid a dash ? Get real.

This is a dad who can say that his kid racked up blah blah points but they don't track them well and then reference his own fake post to validate it.

Very fake news !

Re: USPHL Premier

Anon
Anon
So is the consensus that stats don\'t matter in Tier III Jr Hockey? Is it basically thought of as every kid is close to the same so who cares what the stats are? Just trying to wrap my head around the idea that stats don\'t matter and they are knowingly wrong but league coaches really don\'t care. So if I look at a roster, should I assume that the kid with 20 points in 17 games is the same the kid with 4 points in 17 games? Totally lost.
Do not listen to this idiot.

Yea stats are missed at all levels, and some programs are better at it than other.

But...you think someone went and scouted a premier game, was mad a kid wasnt credited with an assist, spoke to the kid after about it and then came here to post that the kid is the hardest working kid in the league.

Ya... the scout is the only one concerned that they gave this kid a dash ? Get real.

This is a dad who can say that his kid racked up blah blah points but they don't track them well and then reference his own fake post to validate it.

Very fake news !
Cyclones, Pics or Kings are my guesses- They have always tracked the top 6 and 4 only, especially "Captains" tons of points. It's Ok though, your kid will age out and play club also.

Re: USPHL Premier

Well, those are packed arenas to see the USPHL Premier Division games..I haven't seen a scout at many NCDC games, never mind a Premier game. I would put money on Cyclones because 1. those parents are nutty and 2. those coaches pad stats like crazy!

Re: USPHL Premier

Anon
Anon
So is the consensus that stats don\'t matter in Tier III Jr Hockey? Is it basically thought of as every kid is close to the same so who cares what the stats are? Just trying to wrap my head around the idea that stats don\'t matter and they are knowingly wrong but league coaches really don\'t care. So if I look at a roster, should I assume that the kid with 20 points in 17 games is the same the kid with 4 points in 17 games? Totally lost.
Do not listen to this idiot.

Yea stats are missed at all levels, and some programs are better at it than other.

But...you think someone went and scouted a premier game, was mad a kid wasnt credited with an assist, spoke to the kid after about it and then came here to post that the kid is the hardest working kid in the league.

Ya... the scout is the only one concerned that they gave this kid a dash ? Get real.

This is a dad who can say that his kid racked up blah blah points but they don't track them well and then reference his own fake post to validate it.

Very fake news !
I am the actual scout who posted this. This league has been a little off in the past, but this year its terrible. Maybe if the paying customers put a little pressure on these teams to get this simple things right, then the league would have a little credibility and not lose players to the much better run EHL.
It has been happening since the first weekend of the season and progressively worst, maybe parents reading this will have second thoughts before shelling out 10K for a poorly run league. These players have dealt with so much over the past few years that they deserve better.
Yes, I was and am empathetic to the player
Yes, I posted it here to let parents know what is going on
Yes, I added that the kid was a hard worker and deserves better, as all the athletes do

If its fake news, prove me wrong. I have seen it at least once or more a game since the start of the season and have seen about 75 games either in person or on HockeyTV.
Don't come here like you know anything with the argument of "No sir" that's weak

Re: USPHL Premier

League has 5 D3 Commitments this year, out of 70 Teams! Nobody cares about this group of 1700 or more players.

Re: USPHL Premier

Anon
League has 5 D3 Commitments this year, out of 70 Teams! Nobody cares about this group of 1700 or more players.
Here are the facts from EP, I have a premium account so can run these analytics. Goalies not included.

NCAA D3 2,346 total players

2004s- 6 total players, and none from USPHL Premier

2003s- 34 total players, and none from USPHL Premier

2002s- 111 total players, and 14 from USPHL Premier (who did not play NCDC or NAHL or EHL)

2001s- 603 total players, and 78 from USPHL Premier (who did not play NCDC or NAHL or EHL)


Statistically speaking no one is playing D3 before 21 these days, you're aging out regardless of where you played. Unless your one of the 6.4%. This number shrinks every year.

You really have to start looking at the 01s (current 21yos) and 12.9% of the current 01s playing D3 played in the USPHL Premier but did not play in a higher league. Assuming most here would consider NA3HL as below USPHL Premier. I could run things again.

Re: USPHL Premier

anon
Anon
League has 5 D3 Commitments this year, out of 70 Teams! Nobody cares about this group of 1700 or more players.
Here are the facts from EP, I have a premium account so can run these analytics. Goalies not included.

NCAA D3 2,346 total players

2004s- 6 total players, and none from USPHL Premier

2003s- 34 total players, and none from USPHL Premier

2002s- 111 total players, and 14 from USPHL Premier (who did not play NCDC or NAHL or EHL)

2001s- 603 total players, and 78 from USPHL Premier (who did not play NCDC or NAHL or EHL)


Statistically speaking no one is playing D3 before 21 these days, you're aging out regardless of where you played. Unless your one of the 6.4%. This number shrinks every year.

You really have to start looking at the 01s (current 21yos) and 12.9% of the current 01s playing D3 played in the USPHL Premier but did not play in a higher league. Assuming most here would consider NA3HL as below USPHL Premier. I could run things again.
Premier feeds kids to Club Hockey, and thats OK, but you dont need to spend the 10K to go play club the following year.

Re: USPHL Premier

We are at the Chicago Showcase you guys are really killing the buzz. We flew all the way here with the hope of being seen by scouts, haven’t seen any yet today.

Re: USPHL Premier

WF
Anon
Anon
So is the consensus that stats don\'t matter in Tier III Jr Hockey? Is it basically thought of as every kid is close to the same so who cares what the stats are? Just trying to wrap my head around the idea that stats don\'t matter and they are knowingly wrong but league coaches really don\'t care. So if I look at a roster, should I assume that the kid with 20 points in 17 games is the same the kid with 4 points in 17 games? Totally lost.
Do not listen to this idiot.

Yea stats are missed at all levels, and some programs are better at it than other.

But...you think someone went and scouted a premier game, was mad a kid wasnt credited with an assist, spoke to the kid after about it and then came here to post that the kid is the hardest working kid in the league.

Ya... the scout is the only one concerned that they gave this kid a dash ? Get real.

This is a dad who can say that his kid racked up blah blah points but they don't track them well and then reference his own fake post to validate it.

Very fake news !
I am the actual scout who posted this. This league has been a little off in the past, but this year its terrible. Maybe if the paying customers put a little pressure on these teams to get this simple things right, then the league would have a little credibility and not lose players to the much better run EHL.
It has been happening since the first weekend of the season and progressively worst, maybe parents reading this will have second thoughts before shelling out 10K for a poorly run league. These players have dealt with so much over the past few years that they deserve better.
Yes, I was and am empathetic to the player
Yes, I posted it here to let parents know what is going on
Yes, I added that the kid was a hard worker and deserves better, as all the athletes do

If its fake news, prove me wrong. I have seen it at least once or more a game since the start of the season and have seen about 75 games either in person or on HockeyTV.
Don't come here like you know anything with the argument of "No sir" that's weak
Ok. Fill us in on who is scouting premier games ?

Re: USPHL Premier

Anon
WF
Anon
Anon
So is the consensus that stats don\\\'t matter in Tier III Jr Hockey? Is it basically thought of as every kid is close to the same so who cares what the stats are? Just trying to wrap my head around the idea that stats don\\\'t matter and they are knowingly wrong but league coaches really don\\\'t care. So if I look at a roster, should I assume that the kid with 20 points in 17 games is the same the kid with 4 points in 17 games? Totally lost.
Do not listen to this idiot.

Yea stats are missed at all levels, and some programs are better at it than other.

But...you think someone went and scouted a premier game, was mad a kid wasnt credited with an assist, spoke to the kid after about it and then came here to post that the kid is the hardest working kid in the league.

Ya... the scout is the only one concerned that they gave this kid a dash ? Get real.

This is a dad who can say that his kid racked up blah blah points but they don\'t track them well and then reference his own fake post to validate it.

Very fake news !
I am the actual scout who posted this. This league has been a little off in the past, but this year its terrible. Maybe if the paying customers put a little pressure on these teams to get this simple things right, then the league would have a little credibility and not lose players to the much better run EHL.
It has been happening since the first weekend of the season and progressively worst, maybe parents reading this will have second thoughts before shelling out 10K for a poorly run league. These players have dealt with so much over the past few years that they deserve better.
Yes, I was and am empathetic to the player
Yes, I posted it here to let parents know what is going on
Yes, I added that the kid was a hard worker and deserves better, as all the athletes do

If its fake news, prove me wrong. I have seen it at least once or more a game since the start of the season and have seen about 75 games either in person or on HockeyTV.
Don't come here like you know anything with the argument of "No sir" that's weak
Ok. Fill us in on who is scouting premier games ?
Just the past few weeks in New England:
1. NAHL scouts- 3 that I talked to
2. AJHL scouts- 2 that I invited
3. UNE, NEC, Babson, Rivier, Curry, Nichols, All MASCAC, Finlandia, U Mass Boston, Post, St. Michaels, Morrisville, Lebanon Valley.

We all talk, all the time, some more than others, but this is a good league to find guys who are willing to work non stop. Lots of focus on the 02 age outs but also many 03's that are ready to jump in IF the roster spots are available. It's still a numbers game for many.

That's who is scouting.

Re: USPHL Premier

Anon
Anon
So is the consensus that stats don\'t matter in Tier III Jr Hockey? Is it basically thought of as every kid is close to the same so who cares what the stats are? Just trying to wrap my head around the idea that stats don\'t matter and they are knowingly wrong but league coaches really don\'t care. So if I look at a roster, should I assume that the kid with 20 points in 17 games is the same the kid with 4 points in 17 games? Totally lost.
Do not listen to this idiot.

Yea stats are missed at all levels, and some programs are better at it than other.

But...you think someone went and scouted a premier game, was mad a kid wasnt credited with an assist, spoke to the kid after about it and then came here to post that the kid is the hardest working kid in the league.

Ya... the scout is the only one concerned that they gave this kid a dash ? Get real.

This is a dad who can say that his kid racked up blah blah points but they don't track them well and then reference his own fake post to validate it.

Very fake news !
Seems like you’re the problem. Give the League, Organizations a pass? You say “racked up blah blah points” but isn’t the goal in order to advance to the next level? We are told this league is used to prepare players for the next level so racking up as many blah blah points is needed. If those stats are knowingly wrong and not fixed, that’s a major concern for the consumer, fix your product.

Re: USPHL Premier

Anon
Anon
Anon
So is the consensus that stats don\'t matter in Tier III Jr Hockey? Is it basically thought of as every kid is close to the same so who cares what the stats are? Just trying to wrap my head around the idea that stats don\'t matter and they are knowingly wrong but league coaches really don\'t care. So if I look at a roster, should I assume that the kid with 20 points in 17 games is the same the kid with 4 points in 17 games? Totally lost.
Do not listen to this idiot.

Yea stats are missed at all levels, and some programs are better at it than other.

But...you think someone went and scouted a premier game, was mad a kid wasnt credited with an assist, spoke to the kid after about it and then came here to post that the kid is the hardest working kid in the league.

Ya... the scout is the only one concerned that they gave this kid a dash ? Get real.

This is a dad who can say that his kid racked up blah blah points but they don't track them well and then reference his own fake post to validate it.

Very fake news !
Seems like you’re the problem. Give the League, Organizations a pass? You say “racked up blah blah points” but isn’t the goal in order to advance to the next level? We are told this league is used to prepare players for the next level so racking up as many blah blah points is needed. If those stats are knowingly wrong and not fixed, that’s a major concern for the consumer, fix your product.
You are missing the point.

The team can say a kid has 2 points or 202 points. It’s irrelevant.

The only ones that care are dads who think of his kid puts up a PPG he is moving up.

You are there to pay for the free teams. Act accordingly.

Re: USPHL Premier

Anon
Anon
Anon
Anon
So is the consensus that stats don\\\'t matter in Tier III Jr Hockey? Is it basically thought of as every kid is close to the same so who cares what the stats are? Just trying to wrap my head around the idea that stats don\\\'t matter and they are knowingly wrong but league coaches really don\\\'t care. So if I look at a roster, should I assume that the kid with 20 points in 17 games is the same the kid with 4 points in 17 games? Totally lost.
Do not listen to this idiot.

Yea stats are missed at all levels, and some programs are better at it than other.

But...you think someone went and scouted a premier game, was mad a kid wasnt credited with an assist, spoke to the kid after about it and then came here to post that the kid is the hardest working kid in the league.

Ya... the scout is the only one concerned that they gave this kid a dash ? Get real.

This is a dad who can say that his kid racked up blah blah points but they don\'t track them well and then reference his own fake post to validate it.

Very fake news !
Seems like you’re the problem. Give the League, Organizations a pass? You say “racked up blah blah points” but isn’t the goal in order to advance to the next level? We are told this league is used to prepare players for the next level so racking up as many blah blah points is needed. If those stats are knowingly wrong and not fixed, that’s a major concern for the consumer, fix your product.
You are missing the point.

The team can say a kid has 2 points or 202 points. It’s irrelevant.

The only ones that care are dads who think of his kid puts up a PPG he is moving up.

You are there to pay for the free teams. Act accordingly.
1. Your crazy
2. Points matter to scouts and coaches as players advance
3. Not all programs have a NCDC sister team..so who does our tuition pay for and how shall we act
4. You do know that not all players pay tuition, right? Some are FREE, some discounted, some full, some imports are paying double.
Sounds like you have been out of the game awhile.. let the adults talk. Act accordingly

Re: USPHL Premier

Anon
Anon
Anon
So is the consensus that stats don\'t matter in Tier III Jr Hockey? Is it basically thought of as every kid is close to the same so who cares what the stats are? Just trying to wrap my head around the idea that stats don\'t matter and they are knowingly wrong but league coaches really don\'t care. So if I look at a roster, should I assume that the kid with 20 points in 17 games is the same the kid with 4 points in 17 games? Totally lost.
Do not listen to this idiot.

Yea stats are missed at all levels, and some programs are better at it than other.

But...you think someone went and scouted a premier game, was mad a kid wasnt credited with an assist, spoke to the kid after about it and then came here to post that the kid is the hardest working kid in the league.

Ya... the scout is the only one concerned that they gave this kid a dash ? Get real.

This is a dad who can say that his kid racked up blah blah points but they don't track them well and then reference his own fake post to validate it.

Very fake news !
Seems like you’re the problem. Give the League, Organizations a pass? You say “racked up blah blah points” but isn’t the goal in order to advance to the next level? We are told this league is used to prepare players for the next level so racking up as many blah blah points is needed. If those stats are knowingly wrong and not fixed, that’s a major concern for the consumer, fix your product.
If premier was moving kids to the next level schools would not be reaching out to high school D3 sophomores.

Re: USPHL Premier

Anon
Anon
Anon
Anon
So is the consensus that stats don\\\'t matter in Tier III Jr Hockey? Is it basically thought of as every kid is close to the same so who cares what the stats are? Just trying to wrap my head around the idea that stats don\\\'t matter and they are knowingly wrong but league coaches really don\\\'t care. So if I look at a roster, should I assume that the kid with 20 points in 17 games is the same the kid with 4 points in 17 games? Totally lost.
Do not listen to this idiot.

Yea stats are missed at all levels, and some programs are better at it than other.

But...you think someone went and scouted a premier game, was mad a kid wasnt credited with an assist, spoke to the kid after about it and then came here to post that the kid is the hardest working kid in the league.

Ya... the scout is the only one concerned that they gave this kid a dash ? Get real.

This is a dad who can say that his kid racked up blah blah points but they don\'t track them well and then reference his own fake post to validate it.

Very fake news !
Seems like you’re the problem. Give the League, Organizations a pass? You say “racked up blah blah points” but isn’t the goal in order to advance to the next level? We are told this league is used to prepare players for the next level so racking up as many blah blah points is needed. If those stats are knowingly wrong and not fixed, that’s a major concern for the consumer, fix your product.
If premier was moving kids to the next level schools would not be reaching out to high school D3 sophomores.
MA High School D3 Dad has entered the chat:
1 question, what is daddy's connection to this school? Sophomore in High School would make the player 15-16. Lets logically think this through. 16 year old hockey player in MA D3 getting conversations with a college that he is 5 years away from stepping on campus. I'm going to have to go with family ties or daddy has an in.
Now, Hockey wise, if this is true, keep an eye out for the top scorer in the history of MA D3 High school. He would need to repeat at Prep next year, than 2 years of NA or USHL. His STATS would need to be right so no USPHL for him.

The other, more obvious answer is this guy was taking a crap, jumped on the Dboard, and non of it is true. However, this is the first time in my career that I took a note down to keep and eye on MA D3 Hockey leaderboards.:grinning:

Reality, there are hundreds of 18/19/20 year old men in Premier that are head and shoulders more appealing then this young boy.

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I will never understand the people who come here and have no idea how hockey works today but feel the need to knock kids down. You would never ever do it to the kids face because they are bigger than you now and because you cant really be that much of a jealous dirtbag in real life.
You know the climate of hockey right now, spots are like Gold in top leagues, only so many kids get those spots, so the rest have to play somewhere and that league is either Premier or EHL. So, they go there and do the best they can. The 02's are the most watched with some 03's who have reached out or applied to schools and don't really want to stay another year.
Regardless, The league should recognize errors made in stats (cant be taken seriously if its all bad data), and you parents should enjoy watching your kids play. If your kid is NOT part of the league then don't pay attention to it, you have nothing to do with it, don't read posts like this one, don't look up teams or players in the league, just leave it alone.

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Anon
I will never understand the people who come here and have no idea how hockey works today but feel the need to knock kids down. You would never ever do it to the kids face because they are bigger than you now and because you cant really be that much of a jealous dirtbag in real life.
You know the climate of hockey right now, spots are like Gold in top leagues, only so many kids get those spots, so the rest have to play somewhere and that league is either Premier or EHL. So, they go there and do the best they can. The 02's are the most watched with some 03's who have reached out or applied to schools and don't really want to stay another year.
Regardless, The league should recognize errors made in stats (cant be taken seriously if its all bad data), and you parents should enjoy watching your kids play. If your kid is NOT part of the league then don't pay attention to it, you have nothing to do with it, don't read posts like this one, don't look up teams or players in the league, just leave it alone.
I played in the EJHL Tier 3 hockey, nobody said booo to us because we would have knocked them on their a**. I tell my kid all the time to keep blinders on, stay focused on what your doing but if a loud mouth parent attacks or disrespects you in any way, drop em. Maybe the NA is a little different but in all of his traveling this season he has only had 2 run ins with parents/fans from other teams. I don't get why parents feel the need to do this stuff, especially bashing a man (mine is 20) online that you would look at in person. Stop it.

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Okay tough guy dads... slow down.

First off you sound foolish sticking up for your "grown man" boy on an anonymous d board.

Nobody is berating or even belittling your little duster. The majority of posts about Premier are accurate. The only offended ones are the dads holding on to the belief that if they put up some numbers, they can be the 1%er who makes it to college hockey. I get it. It is tough to let go, people have a lot invested in their kid's hockey lives.

The league moves kids onto ACHA, the same league that coaches are recruiting high school kids from. It is great. I hope kids play as long as they can, but if your kid is an 02 you have been around long enough to know what is going on, Stop thinking you are going to be the outlier.

and lastly... a lot of you parents should welcome a coach or scout or parent that has been through it telling you how bad your kid is instead of people lying to your face to get you to spend money and selling you false hope. If you only knew what the coaches and people involved in the premier division say about your kids... Trust me, it is worse than what is being said on here

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Okay tough guy dads... slow down.

First off you sound foolish sticking up for your "grown man" boy on an anonymous d board.

Nobody is berating or even belittling your little duster. The majority of posts about Premier are accurate. The only offended ones are the dads holding on to the belief that if they put up some numbers, they can be the 1%er who makes it to college hockey. I get it. It is tough to let go, people have a lot invested in their kid's hockey lives.

The league moves kids onto ACHA, the same league that coaches are recruiting high school kids from. It is great. I hope kids play as long as they can, but if your kid is an 02 you have been around long enough to know what is going on, Stop thinking you are going to be the outlier.

and lastly... a lot of you parents should welcome a coach or scout or parent that has been through it telling you how bad your kid is instead of people lying to your face to get you to spend money and selling you false hope. If you only knew what the coaches and people involved in the premier division say about your kids... Trust me, it is worse than what is being said on here
“And lastly” please.. will you just shut the fuc* up” You sound as stupid as you look.

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Interesting post, my kid is in 8th grade and as he’s talking to Prep Coaches they definitely have asked about points. I would assume if points are important to these coaches then Stats are probably pretty important at the Jr level. Would make sense that people want it right, doesn’t seem like it that’s hard to get it right. Don’t you guys have 3 or 4 refs on the ice? Like someone can be responsible for getting it right.

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Going to stop this right here…. Kids always think they get points but then when the coach ask the kids for the video of them getting the assist they randomly can’t find it anymore.

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Going to stop this right here…. Kids always think they get points but then when the coach ask the kids for the video of them getting the assist they randomly can’t find it anymore.

Don’t they use instat? Very easy to review scoring plays in the matter of seconds. What happens when the player is right? Player must really feel like a part of the team when he has to go out and execute a play, then later, have video proof that he executed the play. WTF!

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Really bud ?

So the coach should just believe the kid?

I have no issue with the coach making the player go watch the game and show the clip of the point they didn’t get.

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Really bud ?

So the coach should just believe the kid?

I have no issue with the coach making the player go watch the game and show the clip of the point they didn’t get.
Oh I agree with you. The frustration is that it isn’t done correctly on the ice when it’s so obvious. Sure, make the kid show you and then fix it. Easy enough.

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Anon
Interesting post, my kid is in 8th grade and as he’s talking to Prep Coaches they definitely have asked about points. I would assume if points are important to these coaches then Stats are probably pretty important at the Jr level. Would make sense that people want it right, doesn’t seem like it that’s hard to get it right. Don’t you guys have 3 or 4 refs on the ice? Like someone can be responsible for getting it right.
Then your kid is a roster filler.

No schools asked us about stats. They saw him play and didn’t care. Or watched film and didn’t care or already knew the stats.

Zero schools asked that out of the ten we spoke too.

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If they are asking about your stats it’s because they know you don’t have many points and they are trying to tell you no thanks unless recruiting goes really bad.

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Dude, just get the stats right. USPHL is the biggest league in the USA. With the amount of money flowing, get the **** stats right. It shouldn’t be this hard, or just stop giving assists, only the goal scorer gets the point.

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As an announcer on HockeyTV and MAHSH.com I try to review the goals as they happen and give the listeners accurate information. I can say that the guy does have a point that at least once and usually more per game the assists are off and on some occasions the goal scorer is wrong on the official game sheet. with some leagues having 3000 games per year, that’s a lot of bad information.

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Good coaches take their own stats on the bench, then later correct any errors on the scoresheet. Not that hard.

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OK guys, 2 healthy tournaments happening over the next 4 days. What are the chances that:
1. More than 1 Division 3 College is at either tournament
2. Player Stats are even close

Good luck kids!

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Cyclones tournament definitely pulled some D3 coaches this year. Tampa had college club coaches. It was like a competition to see which tournament could keep the worse stats. Good Christ, so many kids shafted out of points when it’s right there on video with HockeyTV. Coaches have lots of stats to correct today. Let’s see if the “good” ones do. Pass-Pass-Goal = unassisted..Breakaway Goal by # 12 = Goal by #29 assisted by # 4 and # 31…WTF.

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Brah, scoring in premier is like when I accidentally touch my aunts boob given her a hug. It’s cool cuz it’s a boob, but it’s my aunt. When you score in premier it’s cool cuz it’s a goal but you know nobody cares.

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Doing a little research for next year and came across the league stats.
Top 20 Point leaders range from 87 in 35 games played to 59 in 33 games played. Are these the most gifted players in the world or something? Also note, NONE are from the New England teams. Only 3 players in the top 100 are from the New England division. What do scouts think of the New England division, is it just that bad?