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Mar 29, 2016 - 4:39PM

Re: Ranking of MA Youth Leagues

anon

Based on MHR Week #26 Rankings

2003 Peewee Major
EHF Elite--------92.55
E9---------------90.09
EHF Tier 1 Black-87.26
BHL American-----87.10
VHL Peewee Elite-84.84
EHF Tier 1 White-84.16
BHL National-----83.79
MPDHL------------83.43
EMHL-------------80.84

2004 Peewee Minor
EHF Elite--------88.92
E9---------------86.00
BHL American-----83.33
EHF Tier 1 Black-82.59
BHL National-----79.63
EHF Tier 1 White-78.87
MPDHL------------78.06
EMHL-------------77.33

2005 Squirt Major
EHF Elite--------93.73
E9---------------92.23
BHL American-----88.69
EHF Tier 1 Black-87.58
MPDHL------------86.82
VHL Squirt Elite-86.20
EHF Tier 1 White-84.77
BHL National-----82.42
EMHL-------------81.25

2006 Squirt Minor
EHF Elite--------88.41
E9---------------86.54
EHF Tier 1 Black-84.07
BHL American-----83.01
EMHL-------------81.64
MPDHL------------81.56
EHF Tier 1 White-81.28
BHL National-----79.72

that EMHL in the middle of the 06 mix is a joke

Think big picture. Don't zero in on one piece of data and call it garbage because you think you have some inside information or perspective on it. EMHL 06 was made up of six teams, but the association is comprised of over a dozen organizations. It is likely that the teams excluded at this age group in 2015-16 would have been weak (if they had fielded a team), which would have brought down the league average. True, it is likely that a full complement of EMHL 06 teams would have been rated lower than 81.64, but it is not a joke.

I love these types of conversations, all you parents are just practicing on your stories for when your kid is done playing high school hockey and hangs up his skates, in which you can discuss how elite of a league they played in when they were 10 years -old, at the end of the day, no one cares

Anon

Mar 29, 2016 - 2:57PM

Re: Ranking of MA Youth Leagues

anon

That's pretty interesting.

Do you have a web link to MHR?

Thanks.

anon

Mar 29, 2016 - 3:07PM

Re: Ranking of MA Youth Leagues

Anon

anon

That's pretty interesting.

Do you have a web link to MHR?

Thanks.

I have not seen this on MHR? Is this something the site put together or did you. If yes care to share how you calculated?

anon

Mar 29, 2016 - 3:28PM

Re: Ranking of MA Youth Leagues

MyHockey Rankings

If you click on the "Leagues" tab on the top of the page, then navigate to the league it will give you rankings for the teams in that league all in one place. Copy to excel, use the average function, paste into discussion board. Figured it might help the discussion.

Keep in mind Peewee rankings (major/minor) are on the same scale and Squirt rankings (major/minor) are on the same scale (but different than peewee). So theoretically 2006 EHF Elite is equivalent to 2005 BHL American. But 2005 and 2004 numbers are not comparable.

anon

Mar 29, 2016 - 3:34PM

Re: Ranking of MA Youth Leagues

anon

I figured something like that. well done sir. although I assume the strength of schedule factor in the algorithm favors the ehf. but definitively an indicator. and it shows consistency although there are variances by age group which you would expect.

Anon

Mar 29, 2016 - 3:58PM

Re: Ranking of MA Youth Leagues

Any way you slice it its just a great job.

Props.

anon

Mar 29, 2016 - 4:27PM

Re: Ranking of MA Youth Leagues

There is no strength of schedule factor written into the ratings algorithm. The strength of schedule "boost" that the EHF teams get comes from playing (on average) teams with higher rankings (or put another way, playing a more difficult schedule).

The rankings are all about head-to-head goal differential. If there were no interaction between leagues, they would be meaningless (OK, I could make an argument that they are meaningless anyway, but bear with me), since there would be no way to compare performance across leagues. But it just so happens that EHF teams fare extremely well in competition against other leagues, so their ratings relative to teams in these other leagues are higher.

Where the system breaks down a little (in my opinion), is at the lower fringes of the league, where teams are "blessed" with a relatively high strength of schedule rating because they play in a division with several stronger teams. These teams may "compete" with their division mates and stay within 3-4 goals (hardly a competitive game), but still maintain a rating higher than a first place team playing in a division with weaker foes. There is also the artificial 7 goal differential limit that could assign higher rankings to bottom-dweller teams in relatively strong divisions.

Disclaimer: This is all for fun. I'm not trying to say anyone should or should not play somewhere because of this nonsense. Hopefully this spurns some interesting and entertaining discussion.

counting the cash

Mar 29, 2016 - 10:47PM

Re: Ranking of MA Youth Leagues

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This guy above knows what he is talking about. (cough) Bottom line is the top teams need to play each other, anytime, anywhere regardless of what league a team is in and let the final score determine who is better. And we all know the rankings of the EHF teams are influenced by Gallant of the Islanders and whoever the current owner of the Flames org is. It's a fact, Jack! I'm gonna drink myself stupid and watch the D board explode. Nighty night kids!

anon

Mar 30, 2016 - 7:33AM

Re: Ranking of MA Youth Leagues

anon

Strength of schedule - I think whether it is written in an algorithm or not is secondary. it influences the ratings. But I think you acknowledge that with the "breakdown in the system". How otherwise would a team that has won 1 game rank ahead of anyone else with a better record. But I mostly agree with the general idea.
In any case I found, mathematical logic aside, there are huge differences between age groups within leagues (other than EHF). and as a very trusted coach said to me once. the better league does not always mean you get the best development, it only means you have on average better players.

Anon

Mar 30, 2016 - 8:37AM

Re: Ranking of MA Youth Leagues

I do not need algorithms, statistical data or computer generated rankings to verify what I have seen, and that is BHL teams that were better than EHF Elite teams this past year.

granted, looking at the entire leagues, the EHF Elite is a better group of teams overall. But there is no doubt that a few "bad" BHL teams were better than a few "bad" EHF Elite teams.

so - the above is nonsense - go watch some games. For the most part you will be asking if you are watching Elite or Tier 1, and there is not much difference between some town A teams and some "elite" teams.

Anon

Mar 30, 2016 - 10:52PM

Re: Ranking of MA Youth Leagues

Thx bandits dad

anon

Mar 31, 2016 - 12:07PM

Re: Ranking of MA Youth Leagues

Anon

This is not an unexpected response from someone that has trouble counting past 10.

Anon

Mar 31, 2016 - 8:00PM

Re: Ranking of MA Youth Leagues

Anon

Age and year?

I'd be willing to bet if you're looking at an 04 Elite let's say and have a strong feeling some Town team is just as competitive upon closer review they MAY have an 04 or 2, but they're primarily loaded with 03s.

Think of where those 04 Elite will be with another full year of development. There's your true comparison.

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