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Re: 06 BA Elite team is looking for new players

Anon
I don't think this was as malicious as it being made to be. Basically, the 95G were short players and were going to have to forfeit games on Saturday and from what I hear that is an auto dis qualifier for the year and you are out of the league.

In order to avoid that they scrambled calling people and had 15 kids show up, they played them all, which as a parent I would not be happy with a hour drive to be told we couldn't play.

heck, rumor was that they didn't even have a goalie and the Knights got them one for their game.

SO this was not done intentionally to "cheat".

It went bad after the fact as they had not won a game up to that point, wining the next two games in the final minutes of each, by the 06E kids scoring 98% of the goals and coming form behind to beat both teams.

Hey, still not a big deal. just eat it and play on. But since it was such a clear cut violation people started making a stink.


so you admit its a clear cut violation and your telling people to eat it. My god you are the reason this country is going to **** and people like Hilary will get into office.

Re: 06 BA Elite team is looking for new players

Anon
Anon
I don't think this was as malicious as it being made to be. Basically, the 95G were short players and were going to have to forfeit games on Saturday and from what I hear that is an auto dis qualifier for the year and you are out of the league.

In order to avoid that they scrambled calling people and had 15 kids show up, they played them all, which as a parent I would not be happy with a hour drive to be told we couldn't play.

heck, rumor was that they didn't even have a goalie and the Knights got them one for their game.

SO this was not done intentionally to "cheat".

It went bad after the fact as they had not won a game up to that point, wining the next two games in the final minutes of each, by the 06E kids scoring 98% of the goals and coming form behind to beat both teams.

Hey, still not a big deal. just eat it and play on. But since it was such a clear cut violation people started making a stink.


so you admit its a clear cut violation and your telling people to eat it. My god you are the reason this country is going to **** and people like Hilary will get into office.


Not really, that's not the whole point. Not sure how much involvement you have in this, but as an involved party as a parent on one of the teams that this cost a win I was explaining that this was not done solely to get better players to get this team a win.

But my main point is that the punishment is severe. Do you want to kick the few 10 year olds out of the league for the year and want to kick the entire Giants 05 team out of the league at this point in the season. Think about the kids, it was not their fault and they should not be penalized so severely. Hey they just want to play hockey.

The parity standings should be changed and they should forfeit those games, which at the end of the day it still doesn't change anything. Basically they should just take away the ineligible players goals for those games, which coincidentally was all of them

I feel bad for some of the kids and parents as it is, their rostered players barely touched a puck in those two games.

Re: 06 BA Elite team is looking for new players

Anon
Anon
Anon
I don't think this was as malicious as it being made to be. Basically, the 95G were short players and were going to have to forfeit games on Saturday and from what I hear that is an auto dis qualifier for the year and you are out of the league.

In order to avoid that they scrambled calling people and had 15 kids show up, they played them all, which as a parent I would not be happy with a hour drive to be told we couldn't play.

heck, rumor was that they didn't even have a goalie and the Knights got them one for their game.

SO this was not done intentionally to "cheat".

It went bad after the fact as they had not won a game up to that point, wining the next two games in the final minutes of each, by the 06E kids scoring 98% of the goals and coming form behind to beat both teams.

Hey, still not a big deal. just eat it and play on. But since it was such a clear cut violation people started making a stink.


so you admit its a clear cut violation and your telling people to eat it. My god you are the reason this country is going to **** and people like Hilary will get into office.


Not really, that's not the whole point. Not sure how much involvement you have in this, but as an involved party as a parent on one of the teams that this cost a win I was explaining that this was not done solely to get better players to get this team a win.

But my main point is that the punishment is severe. Do you want to kick the few 10 year olds out of the league for the year and want to kick the entire Giants 05 team out of the league at this point in the season. Think about the kids, it was not their fault and they should not be penalized so severely. Hey they just want to play hockey.

The parity standings should be changed and they should forfeit those games, which at the end of the day it still doesn't change anything. Basically they should just take away the ineligible players goals for those games, which coincidentally was all of them

I feel bad for some of the kids and parents as it is, their rostered players barely touched a puck in those two games.


I dont feel bad for anyone in this situation. Choose your teams and people you follow carefully. People are so crazy and want their kids to play "elite" hockey they make bad decisions. And if a team needed a bunch of Squirts to win games against some pee wees then all three teams should be regulated to the BHL national because that is just SAD.

Re: 06 BA Elite team is looking for new players

Maybe you could start a petition and have parents sign it and take it to Gilmartin.

Re: 06 BA Elite team is looking for new players

Typical BA lack of organization. When will they hire people to run this place?

Re: 06 BA Elite team is looking for new players

"I feel bad for some of the kids and parents as it is, their rostered players barely touched a puck in those two games."

Really? Two 06 players had that kind of impact on these games? I wouldn't consider either kid an all-star at the 06 level anyway. What kind of teams are these? I could see a two good players running around against town teams but even that is a stretch at this age.

Re: 06 BA Elite team is looking for new players

Anon
"I feel bad for some of the kids and parents as it is, their rostered players barely touched a puck in those two games."

Really? Two 06 players had that kind of impact on these games? I wouldn't consider either kid an all-star at the 06 level anyway. What kind of teams are these? I could see a two good players running around against town teams but even that is a stretch at this age.


Maybe six kids on the ice during that Knights/Giants game would make a Town A team.

They are two inexperienced bad BHL national teams, so an above average 06E player can skate circles around entire lines. A lot of it appeared to be golatending issues too. SO probably everyone who got a shot off would have scored but it was only the 06's. sad but true.

I think the score went from 5-2 to 5-6 in the last couple of minutes with one kid scoring four of the five in the knights game

same kid scored the game winner againts the Avs with 30 seconds left, and he had at least three in that game

Re: 06 BA Elite team is looking for new players

Anon
Anon
"I feel bad for some of the kids and parents as it is, their rostered players barely touched a puck in those two games."

Really? Two 06 players had that kind of impact on these games? I wouldn't consider either kid an all-star at the 06 level anyway. What kind of teams are these? I could see a two good players running around against town teams but even that is a stretch at this age.


Maybe six kids on the ice during that Knights/Giants game would make a Town A team.

They are two inexperienced bad BHL national teams, so an above average 06E player can skate circles around entire lines. A lot of it appeared to be golatending issues too. SO probably everyone who got a shot off would have scored but it was only the 06's. sad but true.

I think the score went from 5-2 to 5-6 in the last couple of minutes with one kid scoring four of the five in the knights game

same kid scored the game winner againts the Avs with 30 seconds left, and he had at least three in that game



So which one was it. Half the team from BA or 1 kid? These dboard stories always grow into wildly amazing tales.

Re: 06 BA Elite team is looking for new players

Maybe they are just late developers?

Re: 06 BA Elite team is looking for new players

Looks like it was legal if 06 birth year was playing up.

Re: 06 BA Elite team is looking for new players

They had an 04 too

Re: 06 BA Elite team is looking for new players

No they didn't.

Re: 06 BA Elite team is looking for new players

The poor kid just wanted to play hockey. The team was short players and didn't want to forfeit. It was one game. Let it go and move on now.

Re: 06 BA Elite team is looking for new players

They had fewer than 5 skaters and one goalie?

Re: 06 BA Elite team is looking for new players

Who cares? You people are pathetic go live your lives.

Re: 06 BA Elite team is looking for new players

I can't believe people would defend this. If it happened to you your position would be different. Pathetic. Pulling the "the kids just wanted to play hockey" card. Losers.

Re: 06 BA Elite team is looking for new players

Anon
I can't believe people would defend this. If it happened to you your position would be different. Pathetic. Pulling the "the kids just wanted to play hockey" card. Losers.


He's an 06 playing in an 05 game. Gimme a break. He made a few plays and your team lost big deal now let it go. If it was an infraction there would have been a suspension by today. It's not a big deal now get over it people. These guys are just trying to develop as many kids as possible. You should have a little more respect for them and what they do. At the end of the day it's not about winning and losing or whi scored the goal. It's about the kids play a competitive sport and having fun, playing with their peers under the direction of a great coach.

Re: 06 BA Elite team is looking for new players

Anon
Anon
I can't believe people would defend this. If it happened to you your position would be different. Pathetic. Pulling the "the kids just wanted to play hockey" card. Losers.


He's an 06 playing in an 05 game. Gimme a break. He made a few plays and your team lost big deal now let it go. If it was an infraction there would have been a suspension by today. It's not a big deal now get over it people. These guys are just trying to develop as many kids as possible. You should have a little more respect for them and what they do. At the end of the day it's not about winning and losing or whi scored the goal. It's about the kids play a competitive sport and having fun, playing with their peers under the direction of a great coach.


Another idiot on the Dboard. They Broke the clearly stated rules. they should be punished. i would agree maybe not to the extreme the rules state but some form of punishment was needed. And it was a parity round so winning does matter in this case. I doubt they were in the locker room before these games this weekend with the coaches telling the kids to "work on your passing and not worry so much about winning"

Re: 06 BA Elite team is looking for new players

Anon
Anon
I can't believe people would defend this. If it happened to you your position would be different. Pathetic. Pulling the "the kids just wanted to play hockey" card. Losers.


He's an 06 playing in an 05 game. Gimme a break. He made a few plays and your team lost big deal now let it go. If it was an infraction there would have been a suspension by today. It's not a big deal now get over it people. These guys are just trying to develop as many kids as possible. You should have a little more respect for them and what they do. At the end of the day it's not about winning and losing or whi scored the goal. It's about the kids play a competitive sport and having fun, playing with their peers under the direction of a great coach.


^^^^Agree with this post. Not that big of a deal in grand scheme of things. Kid just wants to play hockey so let him play. No need for suspensions.

Re: 06 BA Elite team is looking for new players

^^ are you actively trying to be stupid? Tampering with the outcome of games in parity can change the division a team gets placed in. I would completely agree if they were short players and they found some players to fill in that fit right in with everyone else and had little to no impact on the game either way. From what I am reading one kid had seven or eight goals in two games - not exactly blending in by my definition. An entire team could end up playing in the wrong division all year because of this tampering. It seems crazy to kick kids and coaches and teams out of the league over it. I think a fair consequence would be that they forfeit those games. The teams they did this to shouldn't have to suffer by taking a loss in parity and they shouldn't be rewarded for their choice with wins in parity. Maybe put the coaches and players on probation as well - let them stay but the next incident is zero tolerance. I can't imagine that the BA kids or their parents thought it through - chalk it up as a bad choice, slap on the wrist, lesson learned.

Re: 06 BA Elite team is looking for new players

anon
^^ are you actively trying to be stupid? Tampering with the outcome of games in parity can change the division a team gets placed in. I would completely agree if they were short players and they found some players to fill in that fit right in with everyone else and had little to no impact on the game either way. From what I am reading one kid had seven or eight goals in two games - not exactly blending in by my definition. An entire team could end up playing in the wrong division all year because of this tampering. It seems crazy to kick kids and coaches and teams out of the league over it. I think a fair consequence would be that they forfeit those games. The teams they did this to shouldn't have to suffer by taking a loss in parity and they shouldn't be rewarded for their choice with wins in parity. Maybe put the coaches and players on probation as well - let them stay but the next incident is zero tolerance. I can't imagine that the BA kids or their parents thought it through - chalk it up as a bad choice, slap on the wrist, lesson learned.


I think his point was these teams already missed the boat on E9. Not much of s difference between American and National. The Giants would have pulled through if the whole team had made the game so not a big deal.

Re: 06 BA Elite team is looking for new players

Anon
anon
^^ are you actively trying to be stupid? Tampering with the outcome of games in parity can change the division a team gets placed in. I would completely agree if they were short players and they found some players to fill in that fit right in with everyone else and had little to no impact on the game either way. From what I am reading one kid had seven or eight goals in two games - not exactly blending in by my definition. An entire team could end up playing in the wrong division all year because of this tampering. It seems crazy to kick kids and coaches and teams out of the league over it. I think a fair consequence would be that they forfeit those games. The teams they did this to shouldn't have to suffer by taking a loss in parity and they shouldn't be rewarded for their choice with wins in parity. Maybe put the coaches and players on probation as well - let them stay but the next incident is zero tolerance. I can't imagine that the BA kids or their parents thought it through - chalk it up as a bad choice, slap on the wrist, lesson learned.


I think his point was these teams already missed the boat on E9. Not much of s difference between American and National. The Giants would have pulled through if the whole team had made the game so not a big deal.


I would agree here... Not much of a difference at the 05 level. Both American or National will be fine for either team placement. Just enjoy the ride parents it's over before you know it. Not worth bickering over this stuff as it's not important in your child's development.

Re: 06 BA Elite team is looking for new players

Jerkoffs are missing the point. Good luck cheaters.

Re: 06 BA Elite team is looking for new players

Anon
Jerkoffs are missing the point. Good luck cheaters.


It's a 10 year old who just wanted to play hockey and help out some of his friends. I think you people are over reacting.

Re: 06 BA Elite team is looking for new players

Anon
Anon
Jerkoffs are missing the point. Good luck cheaters.


It's a 10 year old who just wanted to play hockey and help out some of his friends. I think you people are over reacting.


If he wanted to help them out he would have passed them the puck.

Re: 06 BA Elite team is looking for new players

Anon
Anon
Anon
Jerkoffs are missing the point. Good luck cheaters.


It's a 10 year old who just wanted to play hockey and help out some of his friends. I think you people are over reacting.


If he wanted to help them out he would have passed them the puck.


It's very early in the season, kids will pass more and gel more overtime. If a player over looks a pass here and there at this point it's not really a big deal so I wouldn't worry about it. If it's happening in January then you have a problem. Gotta let the kids play. A lot of these little things work themselves out over time.

Re: 06 BA Elite team is looking for new players

Anon
Anon
Anon
Anon
Jerkoffs are missing the point. Good luck cheaters.


It's a 10 year old who just wanted to play hockey and help out some of his friends. I think you people are over reacting.


If he wanted to help them out he would have passed them the puck.


It's very early in the season, kids will pass more and gel more overtime. If a player over looks a pass here and there at this point it's not really a big deal so I wouldn't worry about it. If it's happening in January then you have a problem. Gotta let the kids play. A lot of these little things work themselves out over time.


He cant pass them the puck. he isnt on that team anymore.

Re: 06 BA Elite team is looking for new players

Anything happen with this suspension?

Re: 06 BA Elite team is looking for new players

Anon
Anything happen with this suspension?



THATS FUNNY!!

Re: 06 BA Elite team is looking for new players

Anon
Anything happen with this suspension?


No but things have a way of working themselves out, as predicted it is the team that used the players who are suffering the effects already !

Re: 06 BA Elite team is looking for new players

Please elaborate!

Re: 06 BA Elite team is looking for new players

Playing in National now, even though they made American ? hmmmm

Already forfeiting Game 1 because they don't have enough players !

Re: 06 BA Elite team is looking for new players

Anon
Playing in National now, even though they made American ? hmmmm

Already forfeiting Game 1 because they don't have enough players !


So they are forfiting a game that hasnt been scheduled yet and is a week away? Stop with the Bias please and get over how your team lost.

Re: 06 BA Elite team is looking for new players

Anon
Anon
Playing in National now, even though they made American ? hmmmm

Already forfeiting Game 1 because they don't have enough players !


So they are forfiting a game that hasnt been scheduled yet and is a week away? Stop with the Bias please and get over how your team lost.


Game is tomorrow. Several BHL teams have league games this weekend

Re: 06 BA Elite team is looking for new players

Anon
Anon
Playing in National now, even though they made American ? hmmmm

Already forfeiting Game 1 because they don't have enough players !


So they are forfiting a game that hasnt been scheduled yet and is a week away? Stop with the Bias please and get over how your team lost.


The silence here is deafening...nobody wants to dispute this ? Truth Hurts

Re: 06 BA Elite team is looking for new players

No forfeit. League play starts next week

Re: 06 BA Elite team is looking for new players

Anon
No forfeit. League play starts next week


Bull****, game Sat Sept 24 against BJR S its on the website and has already been cancelled due to lack of players !

and why are they playing the BJR S team who is in the national division ??

Re: 06 BA Elite team is looking for new players

Anon
Gallant would near let his teams pull this crap. If they did he would stand up and take the punishment. That is why the E9/Bhl will never compete with the Efed.
Let's see if KP and TL are solid guys and take the punishment. Oh and there is no loophole.


no skin in the game but guys come on its 10-11 year old hockey.

Re: 06 BA Elite team is looking for new players

Usa hockey needs to step in here and make KP and TL accountable

Re: 06 BA Elite team is looking for new players

Anon
Usa hockey needs to step in here and make KP and TL accountable


Yes please notify them.

Re: 06 BA Elite team is looking for new players

I am really glad my kid plays in the Fed.

Re: 06 BA Elite team is looking for new players

Anon
I am really glad my kid plays in the Fed.


yes because the FED never has these issues with parity during tryouts. Anyone can play is the FED motto.

Re: 06 BA Elite team is looking for new players

Anon
Usa hockey needs to step in here and make KP and TL accountable


USA Hockey Tip Line # 800-888-4656

Re: 06 BA Elite team is looking for new players

I believe the exact situation happened 2-3 years ago at the 2003 level with the Cyclones. Brought in some ringers, qualified for the E9, and then the ringers were never seen again.

IIRC, the league came down hard on the coach. I believe he was even banned. Maybe somebody closer to that situation has more details.

And when you all accept that this has nothing to do with fairness or player development, and EVERYTHING to do with the money being made by a select few people - this will all become very clear. But then, the D-Board won't be nearly as fun!