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Re: Always a good program

Anon
They really should be buying bandits program. It's a no brained with the new price drop. Wipe out bandits and call them the Knights @ Bridgewater. The junior program is decent, as well as off ice and training. While most of the teams peewee and lower are struggling the youngest teams (mites) are winning a few games and have the potential to do well. Now we throw in what I refer to as the "Lovell Effect". Realistically this would immediatey boost the program which in turn would lead to teams winning more games and some teams winning records at year one. The rest as they say would be history.


In case you have not taken note of their business acumen, the Lovell family is not in the business of losing money. This alone is why they should not and will never buy the Bandits.

Their model of complete control over programs while only being responsible for ice costs is a money maker. While other programs are paying 20g a month in utility bills for their building they are pocketing that change.

Re: Always a good program

Anon
Anon
They really should be buying bandits program. It's a no brained with the new price drop. Wipe out bandits and call them the Knights @ Bridgewater. The junior program is decent, as well as off ice and training. While most of the teams peewee and lower are struggling the youngest teams (mites) are winning a few games and have the potential to do well. Now we throw in what I refer to as the "Lovell Effect". Realistically this would immediatey boost the program which in turn would lead to teams winning more games and some teams winning records at year one. The rest as they say would be history.


In case you have not taken note of their business acumen, the Lovell family is not in the business of losing money. This alone is why they should not and will never buy the Bandits.

Their model of complete control over programs while only being responsible for ice costs is a money maker. While other programs are paying 20g a month in utility bills for their building they are pocketing that change.


ahhhh how do you figure? You think that rinks don't cover the cost of their utility bills when they set ice rental rates? They rent prime hour ice and pay top dollar for it. WTF would anyone rent you ice during prime hours for less than their operating costs????

Re: Always a good program

anon
Anon
Anon
They really should be buying bandits program. It's a no brained with the new price drop. Wipe out bandits and call them the Knights @ Bridgewater. The junior program is decent, as well as off ice and training. While most of the teams peewee and lower are struggling the youngest teams (mites) are winning a few games and have the potential to do well. Now we throw in what I refer to as the "Lovell Effect". Realistically this would immediatey boost the program which in turn would lead to teams winning more games and some teams winning records at year one. The rest as they say would be history.


In case you have not taken note of their business acumen, the Lovell family is not in the business of losing money. This alone is why they should not and will never buy the Bandits.

Their model of complete control over programs while only being responsible for ice costs is a money maker. While other programs are paying 20g a month in utility bills for their building they are pocketing that change.


ahhhh how do you figure? You think that rinks don't cover the cost of their utility bills when they set ice rental rates? They rent prime hour ice and pay top dollar for it. WTF would anyone rent you ice during prime hours for less than their operating costs????


wow, you really are missing the basics here.

Rinks charge 240 an hour - probably pays utility costs and expenses. IF, IF all ice is rented or purchased. SO basically the "Rink" collects 240 an hour per sheet in order to pay for the operating costs, and like I stated the 20g per month utilities.

Now lets look at what an "independent" program like Lovell does. Takes in approx 800-900 bucks per hour from tuition or walks on skills, or camps. They pay 240 per hour for the ice and in pay coaches.

Now when the utility bill comes in or Zamboni breaks down, Lovell owes nothing.

Which one do you think is a better way to pocket cash ?

Re: Always a good program

Anon
anon
Anon
Anon
They really should be buying bandits program. It's a no brained with the new price drop. Wipe out bandits and call them the Knights @ Bridgewater. The junior program is decent, as well as off ice and training. While most of the teams peewee and lower are struggling the youngest teams (mites) are winning a few games and have the potential to do well. Now we throw in what I refer to as the "Lovell Effect". Realistically this would immediatey boost the program which in turn would lead to teams winning more games and some teams winning records at year one. The rest as they say would be history.


In case you have not taken note of their business acumen, the Lovell family is not in the business of losing money. This alone is why they should not and will never buy the Bandits.

Their model of complete control over programs while only being responsible for ice costs is a money maker. While other programs are paying 20g a month in utility bills for their building they are pocketing that change.


ahhhh how do you figure? You think that rinks don't cover the cost of their utility bills when they set ice rental rates? They rent prime hour ice and pay top dollar for it. WTF would anyone rent you ice during prime hours for less than their operating costs????


wow, you really are missing the basics here.

Rinks charge 240 an hour - probably pays utility costs and expenses. IF, IF all ice is rented or purchased. SO basically the "Rink" collects 240 an hour per sheet in order to pay for the operating costs, and like I stated the 20g per month utilities.

Now lets look at what an "independent" program like Lovell does. Takes in approx 800-900 bucks per hour from tuition or walks on skills, or camps. They pay 240 per hour for the ice and in pay coaches.

Now when the utility bill comes in or Zamboni breaks down, Lovell owes nothing.

Which one do you think is a better way to pocket cash ?


You don't think the rink owners are setting their rates to cover their costs? And then I'm supposed to believe the rest of what you say?

Re: Always a good program

But they come in and sign a long term commitment to take a lot of ice over many years like they did at Pilgrim. . . good hours, bad hours...but a lot of hours.

Re: Always a good program

Anon
anon
Anon
Anon
They really should be buying bandits program. It's a no brained with the new price drop. Wipe out bandits and call them the Knights @ Bridgewater. The junior program is decent, as well as off ice and training. While most of the teams peewee and lower are struggling the youngest teams (mites) are winning a few games and have the potential to do well. Now we throw in what I refer to as the "Lovell Effect". Realistically this would immediatey boost the program which in turn would lead to teams winning more games and some teams winning records at year one. The rest as they say would be history.


In case you have not taken note of their business acumen, the Lovell family is not in the business of losing money. This alone is why they should not and will never buy the Bandits.

Their model of complete control over programs while only being responsible for ice costs is a money maker. While other programs are paying 20g a month in utility bills for their building they are pocketing that change.


ahhhh how do you figure? You think that rinks don't cover the cost of their utility bills when they set ice rental rates? They rent prime hour ice and pay top dollar for it. WTF would anyone rent you ice during prime hours for less than their operating costs????


wow, you really are missing the basics here.

Rinks charge 240 an hour - probably pays utility costs and expenses. IF, IF all ice is rented or purchased. SO basically the "Rink" collects 240 an hour per sheet in order to pay for the operating costs, and like I stated the 20g per month utilities.

Now lets look at what an "independent" program like Lovell does. Takes in approx 800-900 bucks per hour from tuition or walks on skills, or camps. They pay 240 per hour for the ice and in pay coaches.

Now when the utility bill comes in or Zamboni breaks down, Lovell owes nothing.

Which one do you think is a better way to pocket cash ?

Wow, I mean just WOW...Sigh, eye rolling, frustrated pouting...You are just so dumb, it's hard to believe you don't get the basics like MEEEE! What kind of moron would think that rink owners actively attempt to avoid losing money? Doesn't everyone know that they invest millions because they are just philanthropic agents of they hockey cause that love taking it up the a## for people like TL? Duhhh - check the facts that I have rained down on you dummy It's not like anyone would ever own a rink and operate a program out of that same rink and make money with both models at the same time right?? Wow, like wow man just wow so foolish and naive dummy

Re: Always a good program

anon
Anon
anon
Anon
Anon
They really should be buying bandits program. It's a no brained with the new price drop. Wipe out bandits and call them the Knights @ Bridgewater. The junior program is decent, as well as off ice and training. While most of the teams peewee and lower are struggling the youngest teams (mites) are winning a few games and have the potential to do well. Now we throw in what I refer to as the "Lovell Effect". Realistically this would immediatey boost the program which in turn would lead to teams winning more games and some teams winning records at year one. The rest as they say would be history.


In case you have not taken note of their business acumen, the Lovell family is not in the business of losing money. This alone is why they should not and will never buy the Bandits.

Their model of complete control over programs while only being responsible for ice costs is a money maker. While other programs are paying 20g a month in utility bills for their building they are pocketing that change.


ahhhh how do you figure? You think that rinks don't cover the cost of their utility bills when they set ice rental rates? They rent prime hour ice and pay top dollar for it. WTF would anyone rent you ice during prime hours for less than their operating costs????


wow, you really are missing the basics here.

Rinks charge 240 an hour - probably pays utility costs and expenses. IF, IF all ice is rented or purchased. SO basically the "Rink" collects 240 an hour per sheet in order to pay for the operating costs, and like I stated the 20g per month utilities.

Now lets look at what an "independent" program like Lovell does. Takes in approx 800-900 bucks per hour from tuition or walks on skills, or camps. They pay 240 per hour for the ice and in pay coaches.

Now when the utility bill comes in or Zamboni breaks down, Lovell owes nothing.

Which one do you think is a better way to pocket cash ?

Wow, I mean just WOW...Sigh, eye rolling, frustrated pouting...You are just so dumb, it's hard to believe you don't get the basics like MEEEE! What kind of moron would think that rink owners actively attempt to avoid losing money? Doesn't everyone know that they invest millions because they are just philanthropic agents of they hockey cause that love taking it up the a## for people like TL? Duhhh - check the facts that I have rained down on you dummy It's not like anyone would ever own a rink and operate a program out of that same rink and make money with both models at the same time right?? Wow, like wow man just wow so foolish and naive dummy


I get it now, thanks for the insightful clarification. I understand your point and there may be some rinks that do both successfully, but the rinks doing both take their program profits and are forced to use then towards rink operating costs, while the Lovells take those same profits and pocket them.

I mean of course nobody gets in the business or invests to lose money, but then explain why all of these program rinks are up for sale, nobody buying, prices going down nobody buying and all because the programs are losing money.

If they were such a great business they would not be for sale and when they were people would gobble them up. There is a reason organization owners file lawsuits to prevent other teams from starting up near them, they cant afford to remain open if they lose players. In fact I believe there is one based out of the Bandits as we speak !

Re: Always a good program

Anon
anon
Anon
anon
Anon
Anon
They really should be buying bandits program. It's a no brained with the new price drop. Wipe out bandits and call them the Knights @ Bridgewater. The junior program is decent, as well as off ice and training. While most of the teams peewee and lower are struggling the youngest teams (mites) are winning a few games and have the potential to do well. Now we throw in what I refer to as the "Lovell Effect". Realistically this would immediatey boost the program which in turn would lead to teams winning more games and some teams winning records at year one. The rest as they say would be history.


In case you have not taken note of their business acumen, the Lovell family is not in the business of losing money. This alone is why they should not and will never buy the Bandits.

Their model of complete control over programs while only being responsible for ice costs is a money maker. While other programs are paying 20g a month in utility bills for their building they are pocketing that change.


ahhhh how do you figure? You think that rinks don't cover the cost of their utility bills when they set ice rental rates? They rent prime hour ice and pay top dollar for it. WTF would anyone rent you ice during prime hours for less than their operating costs????


wow, you really are missing the basics here.

Rinks charge 240 an hour - probably pays utility costs and expenses. IF, IF all ice is rented or purchased. SO basically the "Rink" collects 240 an hour per sheet in order to pay for the operating costs, and like I stated the 20g per month utilities.

Now lets look at what an "independent" program like Lovell does. Takes in approx 800-900 bucks per hour from tuition or walks on skills, or camps. They pay 240 per hour for the ice and in pay coaches.

Now when the utility bill comes in or Zamboni breaks down, Lovell owes nothing.

Which one do you think is a better way to pocket cash ?

Wow, I mean just WOW...Sigh, eye rolling, frustrated pouting...You are just so dumb, it's hard to believe you don't get the basics like MEEEE! What kind of moron would think that rink owners actively attempt to avoid losing money? Doesn't everyone know that they invest millions because they are just philanthropic agents of they hockey cause that love taking it up the a## for people like TL? Duhhh - check the facts that I have rained down on you dummy It's not like anyone would ever own a rink and operate a program out of that same rink and make money with both models at the same time right?? Wow, like wow man just wow so foolish and naive dummy


I get it now, thanks for the insightful clarification. I understand your point and there may be some rinks that do both successfully, but the rinks doing both take their program profits and are forced to use then towards rink operating costs, while the Lovells take those same profits and pocket them.

I mean of course nobody gets in the business or invests to lose money, but then explain why all of these program rinks are up for sale, nobody buying, prices going down nobody buying and all because the programs are losing money.

If they were such a great business they would not be for sale and when they were people would gobble them up. There is a reason organization owners file lawsuits to prevent other teams from starting up near them, they cant afford to remain open if they lose players. In fact I believe there is one based out of the Bandits as we speak !

All of these programs? Absolutely, the Bandits are an example of someone running a good rink and a good business into the ground by entirely sucking. That has everything to do with morons at the helm and nothing to do with the business model - many other programs operate the model successfully. As far as why they can't sell, it's because they are placing a premium on the Bandits name, which isn't worth a nickle. They are asking for way more than their rink is worth because they believe the Bandits brand has some good will. When owners get complacent and forget that they need to offer their customers a good product things go down hill quickly. Find me a sucky program that treats their customers like s**t and does nothing to develop players and I will show you a business that is headed towards disaster. It's no different than any other business. To succeed you have to be dedicated, hardworking and focused, you have to care about and appreciate your customers and you have to surround yourself with quality professionals that make your business better - otherwise you're going to fail

Re: Always a good program

Anon
I understand your point and there may be some rinks that do both successfully, but the rinks doing both take their program profits and are forced to use then towards rink operating costs, while the Lovells take those same profits and pocket them.

I mean of course nobody gets in the business or invests to lose money, but then explain why all of these program rinks are up for sale, nobody buying, prices going down nobody buying and all because the programs are losing money.

If they were such a great business they would not be for sale and when they were people would gobble them up. There is a reason organization owners file lawsuits to prevent other teams from starting up near them, they cant afford to remain open if they lose players. In fact I believe there is one based out of the Bandits as we speak !


I don't think you have this one right. My understanding is that the way to maximize profits is to have a rink and a select program, and then you sell ice to yourself at a premium to the market, which is then paid by all of us through tuition. Whatever's left - like those 6 AM weekend slots - you sell to the town teams/leagues. The program isn't paying for the rink maintenance out of team profits, it's built into the pricing model.

Not sure which rinks are for sale and aren't selling, but I'd say if you look at the number of rinks that are being built, there's definitely money to be made.

Re: Always a good program

Anon
anon
Anon
Anon
They really should be buying bandits program. It's a no brained with the new price drop. Wipe out bandits and call them the Knights @ Bridgewater. The junior program is decent, as well as off ice and training. While most of the teams peewee and lower are struggling the youngest teams (mites) are winning a few games and have the potential to do well. Now we throw in what I refer to as the "Lovell Effect". Realistically this would immediatey boost the program which in turn would lead to teams winning more games and some teams winning records at year one. The rest as they say would be history.


In case you have not taken note of their business acumen, the Lovell family is not in the business of losing money. This alone is why they should not and will never buy the Bandits.

Their model of complete control over programs while only being responsible for ice costs is a money maker. While other programs are paying 20g a month in utility bills for their building they are pocketing that change.


ahhhh how do you figure? You think that rinks don't cover the cost of their utility bills when they set ice rental rates? They rent prime hour ice and pay top dollar for it. WTF would anyone rent you ice during prime hours for less than their operating costs????


wow, you really are missing the basics here.

Rinks charge 240 an hour - probably pays utility costs and expenses. IF, IF all ice is rented or purchased. SO basically the "Rink" collects 240 an hour per sheet in order to pay for the operating costs, and like I stated the 20g per month utilities.

Now lets look at what an "independent" program like Lovell does. Takes in approx 800-900 bucks per hour from tuition or walks on skills, or camps. They pay 240 per hour for the ice and in pay coaches.

Now when the utility bill comes in or Zamboni breaks down, Lovell owes nothing.

Which one do you think is a better way to pocket cash ?


Ummmm don't forget they pony up the cash early to buy the ice at that rate, they pay in advance for the year.

Re: Always a good program

Anon
Anon
They really should be buying bandits program. It's a no brained with the new price drop. Wipe out bandits and call them the Knights @ Bridgewater. The junior program is decent, as well as off ice and training. While most of the teams peewee and lower are struggling the youngest teams (mites) are winning a few games and have the potential to do well. Now we throw in what I refer to as the "Lovell Effect". Realistically this would immediatey boost the program which in turn would lead to teams winning more games and some teams winning records at year one. The rest as they say would be history.


In case you have not taken note of their business acumen, the Lovell family is not in the business of losing money. This alone is why they should not and will never buy the Bandits.

Their model of complete control over programs while only being responsible for ice costs is a money maker. While other programs are paying 20g a month in utility bills for their building they are pocketing that change.


Their ice costs not owning a rink are much higher then if they owned. So no, they don't pocket that 20k per month. Take note!

Re: Always a good program

Anon
TL and JL don't deal with parents only kids. They are tough on, but fair to kids which is what is required for development. No BS with the rents. If you don't like it then leave! That's why they are always good.


This may be the most accurate post on the internet !

Re: Always a good program

Anon
How come Boston Advantage always has good teams. I know everyone raves about skills but really?


The program is good and the skills are good. Some birth years can compete in EHF, some would get destroyed. It is one of the more expensive programs.