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E9 schedule - 05 Rifles

Schedule out today. Anybody know where Springfield Rifles 05 Elite team is playing this year. Don't see them in the parity schedule.

Re: E9 schedule - 05 Rifles

you didnt look to hard. Automatic bid to E9

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E9 schedule is posted now for the teams with guaranteed spots.

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anon
E9 schedule is posted now for the teams with guaranteed spots.


So stupid. Its actually E10 now with Assabet guarantee. Great name of a league..

Re: E9 schedule - 05 Rifles

anon
anon
E9 schedule is posted now for the teams with guaranteed spots.


So stupid. Its actually E10 now with Assabet guarantee. Great name of a league..
They should have booted someone out. Plenty of candidates for that.

Re: E9 schedule - 05 Rifles

Anon
anon
anon
E9 schedule is posted now for the teams with guaranteed spots.


So stupid. Its actually E10 now with Assabet guarantee. Great name of a league..
They should have booted someone out. Plenty of candidates for that.


Only 2 divisions have 10 so dont your panties all in a bunch people.

Re: E9 schedule - 05 Rifles

anon
Anon
anon
anon
E9 schedule is posted now for the teams with guaranteed spots.


So stupid. Its actually E10 now with Assabet guarantee. Great name of a league..
They should have booted someone out. Plenty of candidates for that.


Only 2 divisions have 10 so dont your panties all in a bunch people.


which divisions have 10? because I thought as a result there only going to be two play-in spots for some divisions?

Re: E9 schedule - 05 Rifles

anon
anon
Anon
anon
anon
E9 schedule is posted now for the teams with guaranteed spots.


So stupid. Its actually E10 now with Assabet guarantee. Great name of a league..
They should have booted someone out. Plenty of candidates for that.


Only 2 divisions have 10 so dont your panties all in a bunch people.


which divisions have 10? because I thought as a result there only going to be two play-in spots for some divisions?


2004 and 2005.

2005 and 2006 only 2 spots. 2004 ,2007,2008 have 3 open spots per schedule

Re: E9 schedule - 05 Rifles

anon
anon
anon
Anon
anon
anon
E9 schedule is posted now for the teams with guaranteed spots.


So stupid. Its actually E10 now with Assabet guarantee. Great name of a league..
They should have booted someone out. Plenty of candidates for that.


Only 2 divisions have 10 so dont your panties all in a bunch people.


which divisions have 10? because I thought as a result there only going to be two play-in spots for some divisions?


2004 and 2005.

2005 and 2006 only 2 spots. 2004 ,2007,2008 have 3 open spots per schedule

Yeah...imagine a league claiming to be elite and having 10 members?!? Oh the humanity!

Re: E9 schedule - 05 Rifles

They should just drop the E9 thing and put everyone under the BHL name. No more auto-bids, confusing names, divisions, etc. 1 league, 2 or 3 divisions. Let the 15-20 programs play in 1 league and see who lands on top.

Re: E9 schedule - 05 Rifles

anon
They should just drop the E9 thing and put everyone under the BHL name. No more auto-bids, confusing names, divisions, etc. 1 league, 2 or 3 divisions. Let the 15-20 programs play in 1 league and see who lands on top.
Take that common sense crap somewhere else!

Re: E9 schedule - 05 Rifles

anon
They should just drop the E9 thing and put everyone under the BHL name. No more auto-bids, confusing names, divisions, etc. 1 league, 2 or 3 divisions. Let the 15-20 programs play in 1 league and see who lands on top.
Or, choose the ten or so generally strongest and best-run programs and form one league. At least that way you'd gain some name recognition and clarity around who is in the league.

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10, 15, 20.. whatever the number is. Just let them all play each other under a single umbrella and let it sort itself out. No auto anything. Every year your program needs to earn it based on results.

I'm new to this E9/BHL thing, so forgive my ignorance as I'm trying to understand the set up. But why do only certain teams get an auto-bid and then 3 teams have to earn a spot? Why not just dump everyone in a big pool and have them prove they are the 'Elite 9' ?

Re: E9 schedule - 05 Rifles

Anon
10, 15, 20.. whatever the number is. Just let them all play each other under a single umbrella and let it sort itself out. No auto anything. Every year your program needs to earn it based on results.

I'm new to this E9/BHL thing, so forgive my ignorance as I'm trying to understand the set up. But why do only certain teams get an auto-bid and then 3 teams have to earn a spot? Why not just dump everyone in a big pool and have them prove they are the 'Elite 9' ?


or just let the 10 or so best teams play each other and not beat up weaker teams all the time.



Re: E9 schedule - 05 Rifles

The founding teams get automatic bids, they "paid" to create the league so they get to reap the benefits of it. (I'm sure it's easier to get more bodies at tryouts by pointing out our top team always plays "elite") E9 spots also get awarded based upon previous years results (winner of BHL American gets in, etc.) and the last two or three spots are filled up based upon a parity tournament. It's not the greatest system and EHF Elite is stronger but unlike the EHF model, it does allow for some movement into the upper division.

Re: E9 schedule - 05 Rifles

anon
The founding teams get automatic bids, they "paid" to create the league so they get to reap the benefits of it. (I'm sure it's easier to get more bodies at tryouts by pointing out our top team always plays "elite") E9 spots also get awarded based upon previous years results (winner of BHL American gets in, etc.) and the last two or three spots are filled up based upon a parity tournament. It's not the greatest system and EHF Elite is stronger but unlike the EHF model, it does allow for some movement into the upper division.
True. I'd add that the confusion it creates among players and more importantly parents isn't worth it though. It's part of the reason that the EHF has become a much stronger brand. They do add orgs who prove to be strong (e.g., Patriots now have automatic bids, but weren't a founding member).

Re: E9 schedule - 05 Rifles

Some good points are being made, but let's also consider the difficulty of doing it the EHF way, which was well documented on this board in April. If you make it subjective at all, then all hell breaks loose.

At least the E9 set up the founding organizations (presumably to attract talent to a small number of teams, a good idea) and an objective, structured method for gaining entry. That addresses the EHF Elite issue of having very weak teams at the bottom of the division, and the EHF Tier 1 issue of lacking structure for the parity tournament. I think it's a decent system except for the (apparent) politics being played by letting certain teams in that neither earned it with a championship nor played in through the parity tournament.

The only thing that stinks is my kid doesn't have a regular season game until late September. They should schedule games between the 6 guaranteed teams in early September so they can get their season going earlier.

Re: E9 schedule - 05 Rifles

anon
Some good points are being made, but let's also consider the difficulty of doing it the EHF way, which was well documented on this board in April. If you make it subjective at all, then all hell breaks loose.

At least the E9 set up the founding organizations (presumably to attract talent to a small number of teams, a good idea) and an objective, structured method for gaining entry. That addresses the EHF Elite issue of having very weak teams at the bottom of the division, and the EHF Tier 1 issue of lacking structure for the parity tournament. I think it's a decent system except for the (apparent) politics being played by letting certain teams in that neither earned it with a championship nor played in through the parity tournament.

The only thing that stinks is my kid doesn't have a regular season game until late September. They should schedule games between the 6 guaranteed teams in early September so they can get their season going earlier.
Your last point is a good one. No idea why they don't do that; there's no reason not to.

Re: E9 schedule - 05 Rifles

Anon
anon
The founding teams get automatic bids, they "paid" to create the league so they get to reap the benefits of it. (I'm sure it's easier to get more bodies at tryouts by pointing out our top team always plays "elite") E9 spots also get awarded based upon previous years results (winner of BHL American gets in, etc.) and the last two or three spots are filled up based upon a parity tournament. It's not the greatest system and EHF Elite is stronger but unlike the EHF model, it does allow for some movement into the upper division.
True. I'd add that the confusion it creates among players and more importantly parents isn't worth it though. It's part of the reason that the EHF has become a much stronger brand. They do add orgs who prove to be strong (e.g., Patriots now have automatic bids, but weren't a founding member).


now you are mixing brand with product. and yes both EHF has the advantage in both. but the EHF has carried dead weight around for years with teams that just get beat up 40 times a year. and still parents will run to these teams because they have the EHF Elite label. for these specific teams - better hockey than E9 - I would think not.

Re: E9 schedule - 05 Rifles

anon
Anon
anon
The founding teams get automatic bids, they "paid" to create the league so they get to reap the benefits of it. (I'm sure it's easier to get more bodies at tryouts by pointing out our top team always plays "elite") E9 spots also get awarded based upon previous years results (winner of BHL American gets in, etc.) and the last two or three spots are filled up based upon a parity tournament. It's not the greatest system and EHF Elite is stronger but unlike the EHF model, it does allow for some movement into the upper division.
True. I'd add that the confusion it creates among players and more importantly parents isn't worth it though. It's part of the reason that the EHF has become a much stronger brand. They do add orgs who prove to be strong (e.g., Patriots now have automatic bids, but weren't a founding member).


now you are mixing brand with product. and yes both EHF has the advantage in both. but the EHF has carried dead weight around for years with teams that just get beat up 40 times a year. and still parents will run to these teams because they have the EHF Elite label. for these specific teams - better hockey than E9 - I would think not.


Good point. Playing on an overmatched team in EHF Elite instead of another team in another league is a common miscalculation that is made by the parents that drink the league kool aid. It's not always better to be in the stronger league. This situation is made worse if you're trying to jump to another team the following year but end up being blocked by a teammate.

For the record, in the 2004 division, Seacoast sat out the E9 for a couple of years, presumably because they felt their team was overmatched. This year, the 0-32 2004 Junior Rangers are playing in the parity tournament to see if they qualify. Both organizations are founding members and entitled to an automatic bid. So teams can and do opt out of the E9 if one of their birth years happens to be weak. If having a hybrid guarantee/play-in format for the league encourages these types of decisions, then I think it's the better format.

Re: E9 schedule - 05 Rifles

anon
Anon
anon
The founding teams get automatic bids, they "paid" to create the league so they get to reap the benefits of it. (I'm sure it's easier to get more bodies at tryouts by pointing out our top team always plays "elite") E9 spots also get awarded based upon previous years results (winner of BHL American gets in, etc.) and the last two or three spots are filled up based upon a parity tournament. It's not the greatest system and EHF Elite is stronger but unlike the EHF model, it does allow for some movement into the upper division.
True. I'd add that the confusion it creates among players and more importantly parents isn't worth it though. It's part of the reason that the EHF has become a much stronger brand. They do add orgs who prove to be strong (e.g., Patriots now have automatic bids, but weren't a founding member).


now you are mixing brand with product. and yes both EHF has the advantage in both. but the EHF has carried dead weight around for years with teams that just get beat up 40 times a year. and still parents will run to these teams because they have the EHF Elite label. for these specific teams - better hockey than E9 - I would think not.

Most parents fail to distinguish between brand and product, and believe the EHF to be the superior product when in fact it is a much better brand. As far as marketing and brand identity go, the E9 either doesn't want to or can't compete with it.

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Most parents fail to distinguish between brand and product, and believe the EHF to be the superior product when in fact it is a much better brand. As far as marketing and brand identity go, the E9 either doesn't want to or can't compete with it.


You are spot-on about the marketing/brand identity. Based on what I've seen they don't care, or the people running it aren't smart enough to recognize the opportunity. Not that they're hurting for checks to cash, but just imagine how many more checks there could be if they cared.

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annon
Most parents fail to distinguish between brand and product, and believe the EHF to be the superior product when in fact it is a much better brand. As far as marketing and brand identity go, the E9 either doesn't want to or can't compete with it.


You are spot-on about the marketing/brand identity. Based on what I've seen they don't care, or the people running it aren't smart enough to recognize the opportunity. Not that they're hurting for checks to cash, but just imagine how many more checks there could be if they cared.

I'm no insider, but they must care. After all, they did restructure and rename the league a couple of years ago.

They are still the upstart league trying to gain market share. EHF was here first. If you ask me, they've been the leader at the non-elite levels. One could argue that EHF ripped off their structure with the T1 Black/White thing (and now silver) that started a couple of years ago and looks a lot like NEHL/BHL American/National. The toughest part is getting the elite level up to par with EHF Elite...that's the real fight, and probably one that will be the most elusive. But the bulk of the revenue is in the lower level teams, so I'm sure financially they are on solid ground.

Re: E9 schedule - 05 Rifles

anon
annon
Most parents fail to distinguish between brand and product, and believe the EHF to be the superior product when in fact it is a much better brand. As far as marketing and brand identity go, the E9 either doesn't want to or can't compete with it.


You are spot-on about the marketing/brand identity. Based on what I've seen they don't care, or the people running it aren't smart enough to recognize the opportunity. Not that they're hurting for checks to cash, but just imagine how many more checks there could be if they cared.

I'm no insider, but they must care. After all, they did restructure and rename the league a couple of years ago.

They are still the upstart league trying to gain market share. EHF was here first. If you ask me, they've been the leader at the non-elite levels. One could argue that EHF ripped off their structure with the T1 Black/White thing (and now silver) that started a couple of years ago and looks a lot like NEHL/BHL American/National. The toughest part is getting the elite level up to par with EHF Elite...that's the real fight, and probably one that will be the most elusive. But the bulk of the revenue is in the lower level teams, so I'm sure financially they are on solid ground.


Yep you can see a lot more 2nd teams(Select) per birth year have been added this year. The town teams are going to be the real losers long term.

Re: E9 schedule - 05 Rifles

winner bhl American did not get into e9 sharks won it

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big deal if the name doesnt match ... http://www.bigten.org/