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Re: High School Tryouts

Remember the wise words of Mr. Ben Derr -

We had an esteemed poster here that once insisted that nothing from Mites until today at 3pm counted towards my child's hockey development. Absolutely nothing mattered until high school hockey tryouts started.

Didn't matter where he played
How he played
Who coached him
Private coaching
Power skating
Weight training
Select touneys
Leagues
level of competition
Brick
Q
Diet
Nutrition
sports performance

So my question is, my son might try out if he can find his skates and the majority of his gear by the end of school. Should I expect 2nd line? He skated E9 select in 2004 and spent most of his summers on the lake. Will there be hittin' tonight?

Thanks,
Ben Derr

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Were you able to say "It all comes down to this week and the result of the tryout" about public HS hockey with a straight face?

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I’m confused. I thought was all about the hitting. You know wait until the checking starts ????

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Head over to the High School section of the board and post your crap there. Any dad watching his son's HS hockey tryout needs to get a life too.

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We are all crazy!

Going on a youth website to read and write posts .....you got it...crazy.

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I agree we are all crazy but that is what sets our kids sport apart from other sports. Our season is a long grind, weekends away, lots of travel times to games.

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Anon
I agree we are all crazy but that is what sets our kids sport apart from other sports. Our season is a long grind, weekends away, lots of travel times to games.
That is every sport if you are playing at a higher level, not unique to hockey. Hockey is just as bad as any sport when it comes to crazy parents and all the stereotypes and types of players.

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True but even lower levels of hockey have a long season - Sept - March/April. I guess I was comparing to something like little league which is like 2 1/2 months in the spring. Then a month off then another couple of months in the summer. Football is Aug - Nov.

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Anon
True but even lower levels of hockey have a long season - Sept - March/April. I guess I was comparing to something like little league which is like 2 1/2 months in the spring. Then a month off then another couple of months in the summer. Football is Aug - Nov.
That is my point. High level and even some rec little leagues runs like a regular season Season April -October, then fall ball for October and November. Add AAU which starts practice in January and plays April-July. And add All stars into the mix for July - September.

Every sport that thinks it is at a high level is run like this. Baseball is now a sport where you take two months off. And just like here parents will be at the cages, working with specialists, pitching coaches and strength and conditioning guys and guilting other parents into doing the same in those two months, because just like hockey and every other youth sport is try to keep up or fear that your child will fall behind.

So bad, what adults have done to youth sports.



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Anon
Anon
True but even lower levels of hockey have a long season - Sept - March/April. I guess I was comparing to something like little league which is like 2 1/2 months in the spring. Then a month off then another couple of months in the summer. Football is Aug - Nov.
That is my point. High level and even some rec little leagues runs like a regular season Season April -October, then fall ball for October and November. Add AAU which starts practice in January and plays April-July. And add All stars into the mix for July - September.

Every sport that thinks it is at a high level is run like this. Baseball is now a sport where you take two months off. And just like here parents will be at the cages, working with specialists, pitching coaches and strength and conditioning guys and guilting other parents into doing the same in those two months, because just like hockey and every other youth sport is try to keep up or fear that your child will fall behind.

So bad, what adults have done to youth sports.



All the major sports are year round and have been for a pretty long time now. My kid hasn't played baseball since he was 10 because all the kids that played AAU ball year round dominated play in the town LL. Kinda hard to expect a kid that does only play recreationally for 2 1/2 months to hit a curveball.

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Anon
Anon
Anon
True but even lower levels of hockey have a long season - Sept - March/April. I guess I was comparing to something like little league which is like 2 1/2 months in the spring. Then a month off then another couple of months in the summer. Football is Aug - Nov.
That is my point. High level and even some rec little leagues runs like a regular season Season April -October, then fall ball for October and November. Add AAU which starts practice in January and plays April-July. And add All stars into the mix for July - September.

Every sport that thinks it is at a high level is run like this. Baseball is now a sport where you take two months off. And just like here parents will be at the cages, working with specialists, pitching coaches and strength and conditioning guys and guilting other parents into doing the same in those two months, because just like hockey and every other youth sport is try to keep up or fear that your child will fall behind.

So bad, what adults have done to youth sports.



All the major sports are year round and have been for a pretty long time now. My kid hasn't played baseball since he was 10 because all the kids that played AAU ball year round dominated play in the town LL. Kinda hard to expect a kid that does only play recreationally for 2 1/2 months to hit a curveball.
Garbage, if your kid is an athlete he can hit a curveball. Kids have been doing it since the game was invented. You are making excuses for pulling him from baseball to make yourself feel better.

Who is he Jobu? Then just have him swing at fastballs.

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100% accurate. Top level kids are the best in every sport they play. Top Hockey players will be best lacrosse, baseball players etc. Eventually they give one up but not at 10.

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anon
100% accurate. Top level kids are the best in every sport they play. Top Hockey players will be best lacrosse, baseball players etc. Eventually they give one up but not at 10.
So, what you are saying is, the best baseball/football/basketball/soccer players should be able to jump right in and play on your kid's club hockey team?

Should a high IQ kid that speaks English, or German, or French be able to move to China and speak the language fluently in a couple of days? I mean, smart is smart, isn't it?

I don't care how good an athlete a kid is, a kid that plays a sport for 10 weeks a year can be good, but he isn't going to be as good as a kid with equal athletic ability that plays a sport at a high level 52 weeks a year. Athleticism can only partially overcome learning through repetition.

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Anon
anon
So, what you are saying is, the best baseball/football/basketball/soccer players should be able to jump right in and play on your kid's club hockey team?
Yes. Exactly. I know you don't want to hear that but its true !

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Anon
Anon
anon
So, what you are saying is, the best baseball/football/basketball/soccer players should be able to jump right in and play on your kid's club hockey team?
Yes. Exactly. I know you don't want to hear that but its true !
Back in the day, Derek Sanderson and stars from the other sports teams did a sort of "round robin" challenge. They each played each other's sport. Of course, none of them could skate worth a ****. They agreed hockey players are the best athletes, because being an athlete doesn't mean you can play hockey.

Now, hitting a 100 MPH fastball or 12-6 curveball is pretty tough, too, but youth players don't have to d that. In general baseball builds very specific skills, but doesn't build athleticism. My kid's skills guy strongly encourages doing other sports, EXCEPT baseball. He says any kids that take the spring/summer off to play baseball come back in terrible hockey shape. I grew up loving baseball, but now that my kid plays hockey, I can see pretty plainly that while many sports benefit hockey, baseball doesn't. Too much standing/sitting around.

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I find baseball to be a great sport for kids to play after a long hockey season.

Good for hand/eye coordination but not the high, physical impact of hockey. It's nice to be outside (at least after April) and I think the kids like the change of pace.

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Only a lazy kid would 'like the change of pace' of baseball. Running to-and-from the dugout is the excitement of the day....that game is dying a fast death.

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anon
Only a lazy kid would 'like the change of pace' of baseball. Running to-and-from the dugout is the excitement of the day....that game is dying a fast death.
If you think this, then I have no chance to convince you otherwise, but my lazy kid played club baseball last spring in the highest division and skated with a skills coach three times a week. My original point from above was that kids can and do both sports at a high level, ten months per year.

The only "sacrifice" is it's tough to do spring/summer hockey tournaments, which are sometimes fun for him. But he is always very eager to get back on the ice for his first games in August.

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anon
Anon
Anon
anon
So, what you are saying is, the best baseball/football/basketball/soccer players should be able to jump right in and play on your kid\'s club hockey team?
Yes. Exactly. I know you don\'t want to hear that but its true !
Back in the day, Derek Sanderson and stars from the other sports teams did a sort of "round robin" challenge. They each played each other's sport. Of course, none of them could skate worth a ****. They agreed hockey players are the best athletes, because being an athlete doesn't mean you can play hockey.

Now, hitting a 100 MPH fastball or 12-6 curveball is pretty tough, too, but youth players don't have to d that. In general baseball builds very specific skills, but doesn't build athleticism. My kid's skills guy strongly encourages doing other sports, EXCEPT baseball. He says any kids that take the spring/summer off to play baseball come back in terrible hockey shape. I grew up loving baseball, but now that my kid plays hockey, I can see pretty plainly that while many sports benefit hockey, baseball doesn't. Too much standing/sitting around.
Can you explain what you mean when you say youth players don't have to hit a 100mph fastball or a 12-6 curve ?

because we have kids throwing 75 from 50 feet and kids that throw 12-6 curve's

While there are the overweight hitters and slow first basemen, I see a lot of athletically gifted kids playing high end baseball, many of them hockey players.

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Anon
anon
Anon
Anon
anon
So, what you are saying is, the best baseball/football/basketball/soccer players should be able to jump right in and play on your kid\\'s club hockey team?
Yes. Exactly. I know you don\\'t want to hear that but its true !
Back in the day, Derek Sanderson and stars from the other sports teams did a sort of "round robin" challenge. They each played each other's sport. Of course, none of them could skate worth a ****. They agreed hockey players are the best athletes, because being an athlete doesn't mean you can play hockey.

Now, hitting a 100 MPH fastball or 12-6 curveball is pretty tough, too, but youth players don't have to d that. In general baseball builds very specific skills, but doesn't build athleticism. My kid's skills guy strongly encourages doing other sports, EXCEPT baseball. He says any kids that take the spring/summer off to play baseball come back in terrible hockey shape. I grew up loving baseball, but now that my kid plays hockey, I can see pretty plainly that while many sports benefit hockey, baseball doesn't. Too much standing/sitting around.
Can you explain what you mean when you say youth players don't have to hit a 100mph fastball or a 12-6 curve ?

because we have kids throwing 75 from 50 feet and kids that throw 12-6 curve's

While there are the overweight hitters and slow first basemen, I see a lot of athletically gifted kids playing high end baseball, many of them hockey players.
Sure. I'd say "youth" means pre-HS. Big difference between 75 and 100. And while parents may be allowing their prepubescent kids to be abused by coaches by having them throw those overhand curveballs in hopes of finding that Willy Wonka golden ticket, it shouldn't be the case. I'm willing to bet the first time the kids hear of Tommy John will be when the doctor tells them that's what the surgery is called.

I also didn't say athletically gifted kids aren't playing baseball. I said that baseball doesn't build athleticism as much as other sports. An athlete's an athlete. Other sports help to develop athletes more than baseball.

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anon
Anon
anon
Anon
Anon
anon
So, what you are saying is, the best baseball/football/basketball/soccer players should be able to jump right in and play on your kid\\\\'s club hockey team?
Yes. Exactly. I know you don\\\\'t want to hear that but its true !
Back in the day, Derek Sanderson and stars from the other sports teams did a sort of "round robin" challenge. They each played each other's sport. Of course, none of them could skate worth a ****. They agreed hockey players are the best athletes, because being an athlete doesn't mean you can play hockey.

Now, hitting a 100 MPH fastball or 12-6 curveball is pretty tough, too, but youth players don't have to d that. In general baseball builds very specific skills, but doesn't build athleticism. My kid's skills guy strongly encourages doing other sports, EXCEPT baseball. He says any kids that take the spring/summer off to play baseball come back in terrible hockey shape. I grew up loving baseball, but now that my kid plays hockey, I can see pretty plainly that while many sports benefit hockey, baseball doesn't. Too much standing/sitting around.
Can you explain what you mean when you say youth players don't have to hit a 100mph fastball or a 12-6 curve ?

because we have kids throwing 75 from 50 feet and kids that throw 12-6 curve's

While there are the overweight hitters and slow first basemen, I see a lot of athletically gifted kids playing high end baseball, many of them hockey players.
Sure. I'd say "youth" means pre-HS. Big difference between 75 and 100. And while parents may be allowing their prepubescent kids to be abused by coaches by having them throw those overhand curveballs in hopes of finding that Willy Wonka golden ticket, it shouldn't be the case. I'm willing to bet the first time the kids hear of Tommy John will be when the doctor tells them that's what the surgery is called.

I also didn't say athletically gifted kids aren't playing baseball. I said that baseball doesn't build athleticism as much as other sports. An athlete's an athlete. Other sports help to develop athletes more than baseball.
I am not really sure why I am going to type this because clearly you don't get it and don't understand anything above rec baseball which leads me to believe that you probably don't understand much with hockey either.

So. While I am well aware that 75 is numerically less than 100, and I understand what "youth" means. Do you understand that 12 year olds who throw 75 are throwing from a 46 or 50 foot mound. That is equivalent to over 100 converted to major league dimensions. So, technically, mine, and most 12 and 10 year olds can hit a ball that is coming at theme the equivalent of 100, and throwing a curve is probably much better for the kids arm than him throwing 15 innings a week or 12 in a weekend, but that is neither here nor there.

I will maintain what I always have. The most athletic kids are going to be the best in any sport they choose to play, and while they may need a few months to catch up on skating, they will eventually and pretty rapidly surpass the nonathletic kid who has been playing hockey his entire life.

and go watch some high level youth baseball. I think you would be impressed to see the athleticism of most of those kids.

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Anon
anon
Anon
anon
Anon
Anon
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So, what you are saying is, the best baseball/football/basketball/soccer players should be able to jump right in and play on your kid\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'s club hockey team?
Yes. Exactly. I know you don\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'t want to hear that but its true !
Back in the day, Derek Sanderson and stars from the other sports teams did a sort of \"round robin\" challenge. They each played each other\'s sport. Of course, none of them could skate worth a ****. They agreed hockey players are the best athletes, because being an athlete doesn\'t mean you can play hockey.

Now, hitting a 100 MPH fastball or 12-6 curveball is pretty tough, too, but youth players don\'t have to d that. In general baseball builds very specific skills, but doesn\'t build athleticism. My kid\'s skills guy strongly encourages doing other sports, EXCEPT baseball. He says any kids that take the spring/summer off to play baseball come back in terrible hockey shape. I grew up loving baseball, but now that my kid plays hockey, I can see pretty plainly that while many sports benefit hockey, baseball doesn\'t. Too much standing/sitting around.
Can you explain what you mean when you say youth players don\'t have to hit a 100mph fastball or a 12-6 curve ?

because we have kids throwing 75 from 50 feet and kids that throw 12-6 curve\'s

While there are the overweight hitters and slow first basemen, I see a lot of athletically gifted kids playing high end baseball, many of them hockey players.
Sure. I\'d say \"youth\" means pre-HS. Big difference between 75 and 100. And while parents may be allowing their prepubescent kids to be abused by coaches by having them throw those overhand curveballs in hopes of finding that Willy Wonka golden ticket, it shouldn\'t be the case. I\'m willing to bet the first time the kids hear of Tommy John will be when the doctor tells them that\'s what the surgery is called.

I also didn\'t say athletically gifted kids aren\'t playing baseball. I said that baseball doesn\'t build athleticism as much as other sports. An athlete\'s an athlete. Other sports help to develop athletes more than baseball.
I am not really sure why I am going to type this because clearly you don\'t get it and don\'t understand anything above rec baseball which leads me to believe that you probably don\'t understand much with hockey either.

So. While I am well aware that 75 is numerically less than 100, and I understand what \"youth\" means. Do you understand that 12 year olds who throw 75 are throwing from a 46 or 50 foot mound. That is equivalent to over 100 converted to major league dimensions. So, technically, mine, and most 12 and 10 year olds can hit a ball that is coming at theme the equivalent of 100, and throwing a curve is probably much better for the kids arm than him throwing 15 innings a week or 12 in a weekend, but that is neither here nor there.

I will maintain what I always have. The most athletic kids are going to be the best in any sport they choose to play, and while they may need a few months to catch up on skating, they will eventually and pretty rapidly surpass the nonathletic kid who has been playing hockey his entire life.

and go watch some high level youth baseball. I think you would be impressed to see the athleticism of most of those kids.
"I will maintain what I always have. The most athletic kids are going to be the best in any sport they choose to play, and while they may need a few months to catch up on skating, they will eventually and pretty rapidly surpass the nonathletic kid who has been playing hockey his entire life."

Skating is not like running, throwing or catching. Any kid over the age of twelve who has never skated is not going to "rapidly surpass" a decent skater who has been on the ice for years no matter how good an athlete he is.

I've never seen that happen and I'll bet most of the people logging on here haven't either.

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Anon
anon
Sure. I'd say "youth" means pre-HS. Big difference between 75 and 100. And while parents may be allowing their prepubescent kids to be abused by coaches by having them throw those overhand curveballs in hopes of finding that Willy Wonka golden ticket, it shouldn't be the case. I'm willing to bet the first time the kids hear of Tommy John will be when the doctor tells them that's what the surgery is called.

I also didn't say athletically gifted kids aren't playing baseball. I said that baseball doesn't build athleticism as much as other sports. An athlete's an athlete. Other sports help to develop athletes more than baseball.
I am not really sure why I am going to type this because clearly you don't get it and don't understand anything above rec baseball which leads me to believe that you probably don't understand much with hockey either.

So. While I am well aware that 75 is numerically less than 100, and I understand what "youth" means. Do you understand that 12 year olds who throw 75 are throwing from a 46 or 50 foot mound. That is equivalent to over 100 converted to major league dimensions. So, technically, mine, and most 12 and 10 year olds can hit a ball that is coming at theme the equivalent of 100, and throwing a curve is probably much better for the kids arm than him throwing 15 innings a week or 12 in a weekend, but that is neither here nor there.

I will maintain what I always have. The most athletic kids are going to be the best in any sport they choose to play, and while they may need a few months to catch up on skating, they will eventually and pretty rapidly surpass the nonathletic kid who has been playing hockey his entire life.

and go watch some high level youth baseball. I think you would be impressed to see the athleticism of most of those kids.
Yeah, you see pitchers throwing the "equivalent" of 100 mph and hitters going yard off of them all the time at the 10 year old level.

And I'm the one that doesn't understand rec baseball.

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"I will maintain what I always have. The most athletic kids are going to be the best in any sport they choose to play, and while they may need a few months to catch up on skating, they will eventually and pretty rapidly surpass the nonathletic kid who has been playing hockey his entire life."

OK Sparky, go over to the high school team and find the 5 best athletes and bring them over to the rink 3 months before tryouts at a D-1 hockey school. Not only are you 'athletes' not making the team, they will hardly know how to skate.

Go check a D-1 h.s. hockey roster and you will see even the kids who have played since they were 6 years old who are very good athletes and spent their time in town hockey playing 6-7 months a year...THEY ARE NOT MAKING THE TEAM let alone 'surpass' the kid who has been playing his entire life.

Gramps, this isn't 1985

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anon
Anon
anon
Sure. I'd say "youth" means pre-HS. Big difference between 75 and 100. And while parents may be allowing their prepubescent kids to be abused by coaches by having them throw those overhand curveballs in hopes of finding that Willy Wonka golden ticket, it shouldn't be the case. I'm willing to bet the first time the kids hear of Tommy John will be when the doctor tells them that's what the surgery is called.

I also didn't say athletically gifted kids aren't playing baseball. I said that baseball doesn't build athleticism as much as other sports. An athlete's an athlete. Other sports help to develop athletes more than baseball.
I am not really sure why I am going to type this because clearly you don't get it and don't understand anything above rec baseball which leads me to believe that you probably don't understand much with hockey either.

So. While I am well aware that 75 is numerically less than 100, and I understand what "youth" means. Do you understand that 12 year olds who throw 75 are throwing from a 46 or 50 foot mound. That is equivalent to over 100 converted to major league dimensions. So, technically, mine, and most 12 and 10 year olds can hit a ball that is coming at theme the equivalent of 100, and throwing a curve is probably much better for the kids arm than him throwing 15 innings a week or 12 in a weekend, but that is neither here nor there.

I will maintain what I always have. The most athletic kids are going to be the best in any sport they choose to play, and while they may need a few months to catch up on skating, they will eventually and pretty rapidly surpass the nonathletic kid who has been playing hockey his entire life.

and go watch some high level youth baseball. I think you would be impressed to see the athleticism of most of those kids.
Yeah, you see pitchers throwing the "equivalent" of 100 mph and hitters going yard off of them all the time at the 10 year old level.

And I'm the one that doesn't understand rec baseball.
Sorry your kid cant hit a dinger !

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anon
100% accurate. Top level kids are the best in every sport they play. Top Hockey players will be best lacrosse, baseball players etc. Eventually they give one up but not at 10.
Correct. The very best athletes can still play top level in more than one sport. The hockey and baseball seasons fit nicely into each other (I'm sure lacrosse is the same, but mine plays baseball), so you can do 10 months/year in both sports, working around the sport that is in season, if the kid really wants to.

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And to add to the previous post, the baseball season may be shorter, but it's more time consuming. It's 10-12 hours per weekend from April into July.

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That’s a lot of standing around on the weekends.

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Anon
That’s a lot of standing around on the weekends.
Hey, I'm not here to convince you to like baseball, I'm just trying to add to the discussion. FWIW, my son is more physically and mentally taxed after a weekend in June than he is during any weekend in the winter. But yes, he is standing around a lot, you are correct about that.

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Anon
Anon
That’s a lot of standing around on the weekends.
Hey, I'm not here to convince you to like baseball, I'm just trying to add to the discussion. FWIW, my son is more physically and mentally taxed after a weekend in June than he is during any weekend in the winter. But yes, he is standing around a lot, you are correct about that.
Standing in a field, staring at the sun on a 85 degree day will do that to you.

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anon
Anon
Anon
Anon
True but even lower levels of hockey have a long season - Sept - March/April. I guess I was comparing to something like little league which is like 2 1/2 months in the spring. Then a month off then another couple of months in the summer. Football is Aug - Nov.
That is my point. High level and even some rec little leagues runs like a regular season Season April -October, then fall ball for October and November. Add AAU which starts practice in January and plays April-July. And add All stars into the mix for July - September.

Every sport that thinks it is at a high level is run like this. Baseball is now a sport where you take two months off. And just like here parents will be at the cages, working with specialists, pitching coaches and strength and conditioning guys and guilting other parents into doing the same in those two months, because just like hockey and every other youth sport is try to keep up or fear that your child will fall behind.

So bad, what adults have done to youth sports.



All the major sports are year round and have been for a pretty long time now. My kid hasn\'t played baseball since he was 10 because all the kids that played AAU ball year round dominated play in the town LL. Kinda hard to expect a kid that does only play recreationally for 2 1/2 months to hit a curveball.
Garbage, if your kid is an athlete he can hit a curveball. Kids have been doing it since the game was invented. You are making excuses for pulling him from baseball to make yourself feel better.

Who is he Jobu? Then just have him swing at fastballs.
Did you miss the part about their being 10 and playing in a rec league? It's still coach pitch until 8. I guess according to your logic, the coaches should be breaking off benders to get those 7 and 8 year olds ready.

Kids aren't even supposed to throw a curve until 14. But the parents can't help themselves. So what if they need Tommy John surgery in HS?

Sounds like you're one of those parents.

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Anon
I agree we are all crazy but that is what sets our kids sport apart from other sports. Our season is a long grind, weekends away, lots of travel times to games.
Your comment is about 15 years (at least) out of date. Take a look at an AAU basketball travel schedule. Soccer and lacrosse have been like this for years, and baseball is trending in the same direction.