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Re: hockey in Minnesota vs Mass

Agree, all true

Re: hockey in Minnesota vs Mass

Better facilities? Ice sheet is still the same size and ice consistency same. That pyramid of deminishing players has always been a part of youth hockey. The quality of the hockey product at all levels town, AA, and AAA has taken the biggest hit. This is all because of our culture of ignorance.

Re: hockey in Minnesota vs Mass

It comes down to the disappearance of frozen ponds in the winter for MA kids. Pond hockey is hours of skating and playing hockey, league hockey games is hours of driving to play 15 minutes at most per game. Even structured practices, once you deduct the time spent standing in lines there is not much skating with that either.

Re: hockey in Minnesota vs Mass

Making ignorant posts like listing the NH hockey teams and their records at a single birth year, and saying that they are suffering from traveling south for leagues and competition, is short sighted at the least. That post shows nothing except that someone can look at MHR for NH and make a post.

The true issue in NH hockey is simply depth. What incentive do the 3 Elite NH programs have to stay in state and play just NHAHA so they can have 6 total competitive games and then beat up on everyone else?

NHAHA is the root of the issue. They start late, do not run any kind of parity, and then are constantly moving teams between tiers. This results schedule uncertainty, and uncertainty on game count, and makes budgeting nearly impossible for the programs involved, many of which are non profit. Then you add in the fact that it is run by dinosaurs that are stuck thinking that the hockey world is still in 1990.

The truth is, NH programs are going south, because that is where the competition is.

These programs that are traveling are putting quality programs together and developing players. However, at the end of the day, there are fewer players to pick from than the AAA/AA programs in Mass. If anything they should be applauded for putting competitive teams on the ice, while drawing from a far smaller player pool.

Re: hockey in Minnesota vs Mass

ANON
Making ignorant posts like listing the NH hockey teams and their records at a single birth year, and saying that they are suffering from traveling south for leagues and competition, is short sighted at the least. That post shows nothing except that someone can look at MHR for NH and make a post.

The true issue in NH hockey is simply depth. What incentive do the 3 Elite NH programs have to stay in state and play just NHAHA so they can have 6 total competitive games and then beat up on everyone else?

NHAHA is the root of the issue. They start late, do not run any kind of parity, and then are constantly moving teams between tiers. This results schedule uncertainty, and uncertainty on game count, and makes budgeting nearly impossible for the programs involved, many of which are non profit. Then you add in the fact that it is run by dinosaurs that are stuck thinking that the hockey world is still in 1990.

The truth is, NH programs are going south, because that is where the competition is.

These programs that are traveling are putting quality programs together and developing players. However, at the end of the day, there are fewer players to pick from than the AAA/AA programs in Mass. If anything they should be applauded for putting competitive teams on the ice, while drawing from a far smaller player pool.

NHAHA is being called out..but to think that the top NH teams should applauded is laughable. NH hockey needs help and they are the leaders

Re: hockey in Minnesota vs Mass

We are lucky to have the FED'S NH Jr Monarchs and Manchester Flames who are willing to support NH Hockey..The rest need to send some teams back to compete in nhaha on top of their elite OR select schedule down south.

Re: hockey in Minnesota vs Mass

to NHAHA 12 game schedule will not cut it... 5 tiers doesn't work in such a small state. YOU need to change your ways or you will lose more teams to Massachusetts hockey leagues and NHAHA will become a house hockey rec league joke.

Re: hockey in Minnesota vs Mass

Anon
We are lucky to have the FED'S NH Jr Monarchs and Manchester Flames who are willing to support NH Hockey..The rest need to send some teams back to compete in nhaha on top of their elite OR select schedule down south.
On the surface, this is spot on.... however, if you dig deeper, the NHAHA actually refuses to adjust policy to enable these programs to compete in NH as well as in the EHF, e9/BHL, PHL, and Valley.

This simple fact alone is one single example of how NHAHA refuses to accept their role in the greater hockey landscape, and subsequently is driving organizations elsewhere:
If the NHAHA playoffs and other league playoffs conflict, the NHAHA threatens to place sanctions on the entire organization for the following season if a team chooses their primary league playoffs (ie EHF) over NHAHA.

For example...If the top Manchester Flames 05 team chooses to play in the EHF playoffs instead of the NHAHA tier 2 playoffs because of conflict, then all 20 M. Flames teams in the NHAHA will not be playoff eligible the following season.

what about that makes any sense at all?



Re: hockey in Minnesota vs Mass

ANON
Anon
We are lucky to have the FED\'S NH Jr Monarchs and Manchester Flames who are willing to support NH Hockey..The rest need to send some teams back to compete in nhaha on top of their elite OR select schedule down south.
On the surface, this is spot on.... however, if you dig deeper, the NHAHA actually refuses to adjust policy to enable these programs to compete in NH as well as in the EHF, e9/BHL, PHL, and Valley.

This simple fact alone is one single example of how NHAHA refuses to accept their role in the greater hockey landscape, and subsequently is driving organizations elsewhere:
If the NHAHA playoffs and other league playoffs conflict, the NHAHA threatens to place sanctions on the entire organization for the following season if a team chooses their primary league playoffs (ie EHF) over NHAHA.

For example...If the top Manchester Flames 05 team chooses to play in the EHF playoffs instead of the NHAHA tier 2 playoffs because of conflict, then all 20 M. Flames teams in the NHAHA will not be playoff eligible the following season.

what about that makes any sense at all?



Maybe you'd get a fairer deal if you paid state income taxes.

Re: hockey in Minnesota vs Mass

ANON
Anon
We are lucky to have the FED\'S NH Jr Monarchs and Manchester Flames who are willing to support NH Hockey..The rest need to send some teams back to compete in nhaha on top of their elite OR select schedule down south.
On the surface, this is spot on.... however, if you dig deeper, the NHAHA actually refuses to adjust policy to enable these programs to compete in NH as well as in the EHF, e9/BHL, PHL, and Valley.

This simple fact alone is one single example of how NHAHA refuses to accept their role in the greater hockey landscape, and subsequently is driving organizations elsewhere:
If the NHAHA playoffs and other league playoffs conflict, the NHAHA threatens to place sanctions on the entire organization for the following season if a team chooses their primary league playoffs (ie EHF) over NHAHA.

For example...If the top Manchester Flames 05 team chooses to play in the EHF playoffs instead of the NHAHA tier 2 playoffs because of conflict, then all 20 M. Flames teams in the NHAHA will not be playoff eligible the following season.

what about that makes any sense at all?



They are doing what.. who is running this **** show... thanks for your insight Anon. I need to shake this foundation to its core

Re: hockey in Minnesota vs Mass

Sounds like job for an angry wolverine

Re: hockey in Minnesota vs Mass

Anon
Sounds like job for an angry wolverine
Wolverine must have taken a few L's last weekend, or was held to a +2 GF/GA, as he has been awful quiet this week.

Re: hockey in Minnesota vs Mass

Anon
Anon
Sounds like job for an angry wolverine
Wolverine must have taken a few L's last weekend, or was held to a +2 GF/GA, as he has been awful quiet this week.
While the Wolverine is a solitary animal, they must at some point multiply.

I've never been sure if we have one or two. I do think the originalNH list was posted by Wolverine #1, as I believe he has a Squirt Major in NH.

But, I much prefer to let sleeping Wolverines lie. As odd as it seems, stupid posts from anonymous posters bother me less than when the same person posts them in succession.

Re: hockey in Minnesota vs Mass

Anon
ANON
Anon
We are lucky to have the FED\\\'S NH Jr Monarchs and Manchester Flames who are willing to support NH Hockey..The rest need to send some teams back to compete in nhaha on top of their elite OR select schedule down south.
On the surface, this is spot on.... however, if you dig deeper, the NHAHA actually refuses to adjust policy to enable these programs to compete in NH as well as in the EHF, e9/BHL, PHL, and Valley.

This simple fact alone is one single example of how NHAHA refuses to accept their role in the greater hockey landscape, and subsequently is driving organizations elsewhere:
If the NHAHA playoffs and other league playoffs conflict, the NHAHA threatens to place sanctions on the entire organization for the following season if a team chooses their primary league playoffs (ie EHF) over NHAHA.

For example...If the top Manchester Flames 05 team chooses to play in the EHF playoffs instead of the NHAHA tier 2 playoffs because of conflict, then all 20 M. Flames teams in the NHAHA will not be playoff eligible the following season.

what about that makes any sense at all?



They are doing what.. who is running this **** show... thanks for your insight Anon. I need to shake this foundation to its core
exactly. It is a power display by NHAHA old timers and always has been. Until they wake up and start doing things to encourage participation, they will continue to watch NH's best players and organizations go else where for competition. And that will do nothing to continue development across the state.

The guys running the show at NHAHA need to step back and remember why they initially got involved, the kids and development of hockey in NH, and put their ego's in their back pockets.

If NHAHA wants these better programs to start increasing participation within the state, they have to start removing archaic barriers for the programs which are now going elsewhere for competition. They need to understand that they are not the only show in town anymore for NH programs. They also need to fix their tier structure and tier placement issues so that programs do not spend the entire season scrambling to schedule games, due entirely to another programs inability to properly tier their own teams.

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Thanks anon I need to reach out to our league delagate and see if we can open up a conversation about structure and participation w. NHAHA.. The top teams will always be playing in the Fed and e9/BHL this is fact. Now we need to move forward

Re: hockey in Minnesota vs Mass

Boring, let's talk hockey "over the bridges" in CC versus Cow Hampshire hockey, NHAHA, GSL, etc.

Re: hockey in Minnesota vs Mass

ANON
Anon
ANON
Anon
We are lucky to have the FED\\\\\\\'S NH Jr Monarchs and Manchester Flames who are willing to support NH Hockey..The rest need to send some teams back to compete in nhaha on top of their elite OR select schedule down south.
On the surface, this is spot on.... however, if you dig deeper, the NHAHA actually refuses to adjust policy to enable these programs to compete in NH as well as in the EHF, e9/BHL, PHL, and Valley.

This simple fact alone is one single example of how NHAHA refuses to accept their role in the greater hockey landscape, and subsequently is driving organizations elsewhere:
If the NHAHA playoffs and other league playoffs conflict, the NHAHA threatens to place sanctions on the entire organization for the following season if a team chooses their primary league playoffs (ie EHF) over NHAHA.

For example...If the top Manchester Flames 05 team chooses to play in the EHF playoffs instead of the NHAHA tier 2 playoffs because of conflict, then all 20 M. Flames teams in the NHAHA will not be playoff eligible the following season.

what about that makes any sense at all?



They are doing what.. who is running this **** show... thanks for your insight Anon. I need to shake this foundation to its core
exactly. It is a power display by NHAHA old timers and always has been. Until they wake up and start doing things to encourage participation, they will continue to watch NH's best players and organizations go else where for competition. And that will do nothing to continue development across the state.

The guys running the show at NHAHA need to step back and remember why they initially got involved, the kids and development of hockey in NH, and put their ego's in their back pockets.

If NHAHA wants these better programs to start increasing participation within the state, they have to start removing archaic barriers for the programs which are now going elsewhere for competition. They need to understand that they are not the only show in town anymore for NH programs. They also need to fix their tier structure and tier placement issues so that programs do not spend the entire season scrambling to schedule games, due entirely to another programs inability to properly tier their own teams.
Might also be that NH'S top programs refuse to accept their role in the greater hockey landscape and need to rewrite their mission statements.

Re: hockey in Minnesota vs Mass

Anon
Some interesting observations on hockey in Minnesota, and a comment about hockey in Mass:

http://www.minnesotahockeyjournal.com/news_article/show/862289?referrer_id=353193

Hockey tales from Massachusetts are classic—and cautionary.

An hour spent visiting with a hockey person from Massachusetts and learning about the state’s rich hockey history is an hour well spent. Unfortunately however, many of these conversations end with a sigh and sense of melancholy. Apparently a generation or so ago, youth hockey in Massachusetts became much less of a community fixture and much more of an industry. What once was town teams feeding prep and high schools playing in public rinks became club teams feeding junior teams playing in private rinks. Not surprisingly, far fewer young people are playing hockey in Massachusetts today. The impact has now reached the highest levels. Just 20 years ago Massachusetts had almost twice as many natives in the NHL as Minnesota did. Now Minnesota has almost twice as many natives in the NHL as Massachusetts."
Good point.

Re: hockey in Minnesota vs Mass

It is big business and they only care about money

Re: hockey in Minnesota vs Mass

You're catching on! Good for you! Don't ever let anyone tell you, your not well informed! God forbid you were actually gullable enough to believe otherwise. It a Rich Mans Game (Developing, Owning, Running and Recruiting Hockey Teams) you're just a piece of the puzzle. How many camps, clinics are you signed up for so far??
60% of shooting and passing skills are developed in the driveway. Free...

On a side note: How is your retirement investments coming along? We are looking at the largest bear market in history - I am sure that your wise enough to contribution your precious dollars into something that actually matters!!! Ha! Or how about an Education Fund?? Or is Johnny going to be getting D1 Hockey scholarship to school of YOUR dreams?? Fact is most of these kids are 1 injury away from being illiterate, most parent are not investing their retirement and the amount of cash being spent would be 5x what it is now if invested... They versus be some "never was" player, Johnny might actual have a chance at something besides investing 9 months a year in something he won't be doing much longer, after he get injured that is!

Re: hockey in Minnesota vs Mass

AnOn
You're catching on! Good for you! Don't ever let anyone tell you, your not well informed! God forbid you were actually gullable enough to believe otherwise. It a Rich Mans Game (Developing, Owning, Running and Recruiting Hockey Teams) you're just a piece of the puzzle. How many camps, clinics are you signed up for so far??
60% of shooting and passing skills are developed in the driveway. Free...

On a side note: How is your retirement investments coming along? We are looking at the largest bear market in history - I am sure that your wise enough to contribution your precious dollars into something that actually matters!!! Ha! Or how about an Education Fund?? Or is Johnny going to be getting D1 Hockey scholarship to school of YOUR dreams?? Fact is most of these kids are 1 injury away from being illiterate, most parent are not investing their retirement and the amount of cash being spent would be 5x what it is now if invested... They versus be some "never was" player, Johnny might actual have a chance at something besides investing 9 months a year in something he won't be doing much longer, after he get injured that is!
Non-hockey parents aren't saving for their retirement, either. They just spend their money on other stupid **** that they don't really need.

Re: hockey in Minnesota vs Mass

More goalies are coming out of Mass. Hockey East is the some of best D1 hockey in the country. But, then just look at Warroad, MN - could MA every really compete with what is happening there - don't think so!

Re: hockey in Minnesota vs Mass

Trust me it's a much better model versus the model here in mass.