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My kid plays on an “upper half 05 E EHF team”, get over yourself.
“Wait to the hitting starts”
There are minimal options for EHF “Elite”full season teams. If there are any, they first play half season which is at most 10-12 games, then they need to try and fill the rest of their schedule with other games(high school JV teams)? Many of these teams have kids that may leave to play high school also since they are composed mostly of 04s.
I am not obsessed with the word ELITE, if we get a good team of mostly 8th graders and the team has a 35-40 game schedule with a good coach that works for us.
No Parity in 14 full season, obviously you know everything..05 is a very weak year...
What happens at the next level...your kid is always playing with 05Elites...sheltered "elite dad" needs to tell his buddy his kid is an elite player until he gets too high school and no gives two sh*&ts...where or who he played with.
I just want the best hockey for my kid. Live in an area where the 05 EHF Elite team is very weak. He can play up on a U14 full season team. I just care that he is practicing with bigger, faster, and stronger players. I assure you that next years U14 team would beat the 05 EHF Elite team in my area. At U14 things change. In high school are freshmen playing 4 years up because they are playing with seniors?
"You'll probably find very little opposition in Bantam Minor "Elite." The better players are moving on."
I'm not sure I get this and I didn't play hockey growing up so educate me here. I have an 06, most of his team is in sixth grade (11 year old's). Next year they will be in 7th for PW Major (12) and 8th (13) for Bantam Minor. Wouldn't it be logical that the same progression that we've experienced since mites holds? Do the upper-end kids tend to go to U14 full season in 8th?
I haven't put much thought into this but I would have assumed that Bantam Minor Elite would be similar just as competitive as when they were younger. I would also think that U14 for 9th graders would be appropriate if kids wanted to develop a little more before playing high school.
The only complication would be from the kids on the team that are a grade behind, which doesn't seem to be a lot.
Let me brace myself for the replies...
So let me get this right....
Many of you think playing up on a U14 Tier 1 team is silly because it will suck and the players suck.
Many of you think paying up on a U14 Tier 1 team is dangerous because it might be overwhelming and too fast.
OK I give.
This is what I do know... birth year doesn't matter! Grade does. Do you think they have high school tryouts and they say..."ok all the 05 forwards come over hear and all the 04 forwards go over there".
The truth is that my 05 will be in 8th grade next year just like other 8th grade 04s. At the end of the day, yes he may be playing "up" for birth year, but he will be playing( for the most part) with his grade.
But that begs the question; why wouldn't your 8th grader, an 05 next year, play Bantam Minor? He's a PW Maj this year in 7th so why not continue? I'm not seeing the huge upside at u14 and I don't understand why you wouldn't progress into Bantam. Just curious?
There were only a handful 04's this year that could handle playing up.
No knowledge of the person who posted, but i would assume the answer could be; the current team is blowing up, wants to change programs, or likes the coach...etc.
Going back to the original post, someone asked where are the Full Season U14 teams, someone else answered with a team having mostly 8th graders (04s and 05s).
Why is it that its a big deal and you have the 05 elites pumping their chest, people are allowed to choose what they think is best for their kid,
maybe they have a big 05 on a crappy elite team that would have no problem playing with kids a year older in a better program that maybe closer to home, with a good coach and friends on the team.
Hopefully, I can help some of the 05 parents to understand better what is happening, starting next year.
Bantams are "bridge years" to Midgets. Technically still Youth Hockey, but after U14, it isn't any more.
The first indication is, they call it U14. Right away, that tells you, you aren't in Youth Hockey any more. It used to be called Bantam Major. Not any more. So, why?
It was done because too many parents were still concerned about their kid "playing up." U14 legitimized it - if your kid is ready to break away from his birth year - for whatever reason - U14 attempts to de-stigmatize that.
The other reason is, Nationals. For the first time at the U14 level, teams start really trying to qualify for Nattys. U14 teams are brought together for that specific purpose, sort of like teams are formed for the Q. So the best 13 year olds will play U14, even if they are in 8th Grade. Or 7th Grade.
Then there are Prep schools. Many schools start in 7th Grade. Nobles, Bel Hill, Rivers, just to name a few - they all have school teams with good players. Some kids board at a Cardigan Mountain to play hockey, starting in 7th or 8th grade.
That also siphons off talent from the "birth year" concept.
Finally, if you don't know it already, you need to learn - fast. Public HS Varsity hockey has plummeted. Fallen off the shelf. Three years ago, at least the "Catholics" were good. Now, even their dominance of MIAA has disappeared. And it isn't because the Publics have gotten better.
And JV HS hockey is awful. Absolutely awful. Prep JV isn't much better.
So, that has opened the door for Full Season Midgets - U15, U16, U18 - and Juniors, which starts at age 16. Most of the best players still play Prep, if they can afford at least a good chunk of the tuition and handle it academically. The next talent rung play FS Midgets and Juniors. Those that are left play HS.
So, 05 parents, start thinking about the future, and thinking about what path to follow. If your kid really wants to play competitive HS hockey, get him to the gym. Get him in a summer-long skills deal. Get him on a Bantam team that is well coached - doesn't matter if it's "Elite" or "E9" or "Tier 1."
People keep saying, league and team don't matter, coaching does. Embrace it, because it's true.
Holy Crap! Another great post on the Dboard...Been through it and this is spot on.
FWIW I have a 2004 and the vast majority of 2004s played bantam minor this season (at least EHF Elite and E9 players). For the 2005s, the hockey will be good next year, just like you have gotten used to throughout the youth years. I would suggest staying put another year to work out the checking aspect of the game and play another year with your peer group.
Not that I know anything (this is my first time through), but I'm going into next year (U14) looking for a full season because I'd rather err on the side of too much hockey than too little at this age level. I just remember my age 13-14 years and how much I played and how much that helped my development. I've got him in a program that will provide practices, skills, and weight training throughout the year. He can't afford to have an off year or a year with less hockey when he's ramping up for HS, and he needs to hit the weights hard now that he'll be 14 going on 15.
Highly doubt your bender is a higher end 05. Probably not good enough to make a good Elite team, so daddy would prefer he play U14 Tier 1 to say he's playing up.
And to the 05 guy, I have no problem with your guy playing up but most 04s are going to be freshmen next year not 8th graders
It feels like I know a ton of September, October, November and December 2004s who will be in 8th grade next year! I’m not seeing a lot of Bantam Major options... seems to be going away in favor of U 14 teams!