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Re: Full season u14 next year

There are minimal options for EHF “Elite”full season teams. If there are any, they first play half season which is at most 10-12 games, then they need to try and fill the rest of their schedule with other games(high school JV teams)? Many of these teams have kids that may leave to play high school also since they are composed mostly of 04s.
I am not obsessed with the word ELITE, if we get a good team of mostly 8th graders and the team has a 35-40 game schedule with a good coach that works for us.

Re: Full season u14 next year

Anon
Anon
anon
Not true, not many 8th graders on the elite team or the tier 1 team, this team we have a fair amount of very good 8th graders(04s and 05\\'s playing up) from multiple clubs.
Why on earth should I have my 05E kid "play up" to a EHF Tier 1 U14 full season team?

If he was going to be "playing up" with and against 04 elite players I could see the advantage but not with and against AT BEST black division talent. What if in parity they don't even make the black division? Then you are stuck with even crappier competition of the white division. I'm all for the kids playing up if it makes sense but in this situation I would much rather have my kid stay on his 05 elite team.

Maybe it's just the parents again trying to pound on their chest that their kid is "playing up" a year...
That all changes at U14. Birth year becomes much less relevant.

You'll probably find very little opposition in Bantam Minor "Elite." The better players are moving on.

But, keep thinking you know everything.
Exactly, the best players are moving on...to 1/2 season teams (even the best 8th graders next fall). Thanks for proving my point.

You must be one of those chest-thumping 05 parents that wants to say their kid is "playing up" and don't really understand how it works. U14 for you 05's next year basically is made up of left over 04's and 05's that think they're important. It basically becomes an extension of the 05 age group with 04's sprinkled in. I lived it already at U14 with my kid so I think I do know more than you about this...

EHF Tier 1 becomes a mess at U14 and they have never been able to straighten out this age group properly...

Re: Full season u14 next year

Anon
Anon
Anon
anon
Not true, not many 8th graders on the elite team or the tier 1 team, this team we have a fair amount of very good 8th graders(04s and 05\\\\\'s playing up) from multiple clubs.
Why on earth should I have my 05E kid \"play up\" to a EHF Tier 1 U14 full season team?

If he was going to be \"playing up\" with and against 04 elite players I could see the advantage but not with and against AT BEST black division talent. What if in parity they don\'t even make the black division? Then you are stuck with even crappier competition of the white division. I\'m all for the kids playing up if it makes sense but in this situation I would much rather have my kid stay on his 05 elite team.

Maybe it\'s just the parents again trying to pound on their chest that their kid is \"playing up\" a year...
That all changes at U14. Birth year becomes much less relevant.

You\'ll probably find very little opposition in Bantam Minor \"Elite.\" The better players are moving on.

But, keep thinking you know everything.
Exactly, the best players are moving on...to 1/2 season teams (even the best 8th graders next fall). Thanks for proving my point.

You must be one of those chest-thumping 05 parents that wants to say their kid is "playing up" and don't really understand how it works. U14 for you 05's next year basically is made up of left over 04's and 05's that think they're important. It basically becomes an extension of the 05 age group with 04's sprinkled in. I lived it already at U14 with my kid so I think I do know more than you about this...

EHF Tier 1 becomes a mess at U14 and they have never been able to straighten out this age group properly...
Five people have pointed out that you are clueless, and you bring THAT weak sauce?

Good luck to your undersized 05. Most kids are anxious to move to the next stage. You seem to be clinging to Youth Hockey.

Re: Full season u14 next year

No Parity in 14 full season, obviously you know everything..05 is a very weak year...

Re: Full season u14 next year

What happens at the next level...your kid is always playing with 05Elites...sheltered "elite dad" needs to tell his buddy his kid is an elite player until he gets too high school and no gives two sh*&ts...where or who he played with.

Re: Full season u14 next year

Anon
anon
Not true, not many 8th graders on the elite team or the tier 1 team, this team we have a fair amount of very good 8th graders(04s and 05\'s playing up) from multiple clubs.
Why on earth should I have my 05E kid "play up" to a EHF Tier 1 U14 full season team?

If he was going to be "playing up" with and against 04 elite players I could see the advantage but not with and against AT BEST black division talent. What if in parity they don't even make the black division? Then you are stuck with even crappier competition of the white division. I'm all for the kids playing up if it makes sense but in this situation I would much rather have my kid stay on his 05 elite team.

Maybe it's just the parents again trying to pound on their chest that their kid is "playing up" a year...
No parity at U14, dummy.

Re: Full season u14 next year

I just want the best hockey for my kid. Live in an area where the 05 EHF Elite team is very weak. He can play up on a U14 full season team. I just care that he is practicing with bigger, faster, and stronger players. I assure you that next years U14 team would beat the 05 EHF Elite team in my area. At U14 things change. In high school are freshmen playing 4 years up because they are playing with seniors?

Re: Full season u14 next year

Anon
I just want the best hockey for my kid. Live in an area where the 05 EHF Elite team is very weak. He can play up on a U14 full season team. I just care that he is practicing with bigger, faster, and stronger players. I assure you that next years U14 team would beat the 05 EHF Elite team in my area. At U14 things change. In high school are freshmen playing 4 years up because they are playing with seniors?
This isn't a flame at all. Having your 13 YO play against bigger, faster, stronger kids sounds good on paper, but isn't necessarily in his best interests. He could feel overwhelmed. He may have a hard time playing at that level. He could become hesitant. He could get hurt. You never want your kid to be at the very top or very bottom.

My best advice to you is, forget about labels and leagues. Be realistic about your kid's ability, and put him on a team where he is competitive that is well coached. That will help him to thrive.Your kid's Daddy Coach years should be behind him.

And, have a serious conversation with him about how important hockey is to him, and where he wants to go. Is it still a recreational sport? Then drop down and let him have fun. Does he want to play at a competitive level in HS? It's time for him to start working. He has to get to the gym and do skills ALL summer. That's what the competition is doing.

Re: Full season u14 next year

Anon
Anon
anon
Not true, not many 8th graders on the elite team or the tier 1 team, this team we have a fair amount of very good 8th graders(04s and 05\\\'s playing up) from multiple clubs.
Why on earth should I have my 05E kid \"play up\" to a EHF Tier 1 U14 full season team?

If he was going to be \"playing up\" with and against 04 elite players I could see the advantage but not with and against AT BEST black division talent. What if in parity they don\'t even make the black division? Then you are stuck with even crappier competition of the white division. I\'m all for the kids playing up if it makes sense but in this situation I would much rather have my kid stay on his 05 elite team.

Maybe it\'s just the parents again trying to pound on their chest that their kid is \"playing up\" a year...
No parity at U14, dummy.
Maybe they should have parity. 12 of 20 teams below .500 this current season at EHF U14 full season. Yikes...maybe it is a mess...

Re: Full season u14 next year

Anon
Anon
Anon
anon
Not true, not many 8th graders on the elite team or the tier 1 team, this team we have a fair amount of very good 8th graders(04s and 05\\\\\\\'s playing up) from multiple clubs.
Why on earth should I have my 05E kid \\\"play up\\\" to a EHF Tier 1 U14 full season team?

If he was going to be \\\"playing up\\\" with and against 04 elite players I could see the advantage but not with and against AT BEST black division talent. What if in parity they don\\\'t even make the black division? Then you are stuck with even crappier competition of the white division. I\\\'m all for the kids playing up if it makes sense but in this situation I would much rather have my kid stay on his 05 elite team.

Maybe it\\\'s just the parents again trying to pound on their chest that their kid is \\\"playing up\\\" a year...
No parity at U14, dummy.
Maybe they should have parity. 12 of 20 teams below .500 this current season at EHF U14 full season. Yikes...maybe it is a mess...
I think you need a math course. Ina perfectly balanced league, 10 of 20 teams would be under .500. So, because it's 12, not 10, the league is a mess?

Guess how many NHL teams are under .500. I'll give you a hint. It's two more than half. Is that league a mess, too?

Re: Full season u14 next year

Anon
Anon
Anon
Anon
anon
Not true, not many 8th graders on the elite team or the tier 1 team, this team we have a fair amount of very good 8th graders(04s and 05\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'s playing up) from multiple clubs.
Why on earth should I have my 05E kid \\\\\\\"play up\\\\\\\" to a EHF Tier 1 U14 full season team?

If he was going to be \\\\\\\"playing up\\\\\\\" with and against 04 elite players I could see the advantage but not with and against AT BEST black division talent. What if in parity they don\\\\\\\'t even make the black division? Then you are stuck with even crappier competition of the white division. I\\\\\\\'m all for the kids playing up if it makes sense but in this situation I would much rather have my kid stay on his 05 elite team.

Maybe it\\\\\\\'s just the parents again trying to pound on their chest that their kid is \\\\\\\"playing up\\\\\\\" a year...
No parity at U14, dummy.
Maybe they should have parity. 12 of 20 teams below .500 this current season at EHF U14 full season. Yikes...maybe it is a mess...
I think you need a math course. Ina perfectly balanced league, 10 of 20 teams would be under .500. So, because it's 12, not 10, the league is a mess?

Guess how many NHL teams are under .500. I'll give you a hint. It's two more than half. Is that league a mess, too?
Thank you math czar but I think you slept through math class. In a "perfectly balanced" league all teams would be around .500. Please keep your blow-hard comments to yourself unless you know what your talking about. Maybe you didn't take any math classes past introduction to multiplication? The NHL argument means nothing here because at that level it's only about winning and none of the youth factors come into play. Seriously? NHL? You're an dumba**.

Back to the point...

The current EHF U14 Tier 1 has 20 teams. Half are good, half are bad. Every year it's a similar result in the standings whether it's because kids leaving for high school, more younger kids on a particular team, better players on 1/2 season teams, etc . It would make sense to split it into two 10 team divisions with some sort of parity and make it worthwhile for all players older or younger.



Re: Full season u14 next year

"You'll probably find very little opposition in Bantam Minor "Elite." The better players are moving on."

I'm not sure I get this and I didn't play hockey growing up so educate me here. I have an 06, most of his team is in sixth grade (11 year old's). Next year they will be in 7th for PW Major (12) and 8th (13) for Bantam Minor. Wouldn't it be logical that the same progression that we've experienced since mites holds? Do the upper-end kids tend to go to U14 full season in 8th?

I haven't put much thought into this but I would have assumed that Bantam Minor Elite would be similar just as competitive as when they were younger. I would also think that U14 for 9th graders would be appropriate if kids wanted to develop a little more before playing high school.

The only complication would be from the kids on the team that are a grade behind, which doesn't seem to be a lot.

Let me brace myself for the replies...

Re: Full season u14 next year

Anon
"You'll probably find very little opposition in Bantam Minor \"Elite.\" The better players are moving on."

I'm not sure I get this and I didn't play hockey growing up so educate me here. I have an 06, most of his team is in sixth grade (11 year old's). Next year they will be in 7th for PW Major (12) and 8th (13) for Bantam Minor. Wouldn't it be logical that the same progression that we've experienced since mites holds? Do the upper-end kids tend to go to U14 full season in 8th?

I haven't put much thought into this but I would have assumed that Bantam Minor Elite would be similar just as competitive as when they were younger. I would also think that U14 for 9th graders would be appropriate if kids wanted to develop a little more before playing high school.

The only complication would be from the kids on the team that are a grade behind, which doesn't seem to be a lot.

Let me brace myself for the replies...
My kid is 05, and I have same questions. Who plays full-season U14 as a 9th grader? I would think a typical (public school) 9th grader of Bantum Major age, would play 1/2 season U14, and then play on an HS team, probably JV.

Re: Full season u14 next year

Duster Dad
Anon
"You'll probably find very little opposition in Bantam Minor \\"Elite.\\" The better players are moving on."

I'm not sure I get this and I didn't play hockey growing up so educate me here. I have an 06, most of his team is in sixth grade (11 year old's). Next year they will be in 7th for PW Major (12) and 8th (13) for Bantam Minor. Wouldn't it be logical that the same progression that we've experienced since mites holds? Do the upper-end kids tend to go to U14 full season in 8th?

I haven't put much thought into this but I would have assumed that Bantam Minor Elite would be similar just as competitive as when they were younger. I would also think that U14 for 9th graders would be appropriate if kids wanted to develop a little more before playing high school.

The only complication would be from the kids on the team that are a grade behind, which doesn't seem to be a lot.

Let me brace myself for the replies...
My kid is 05, and I have same questions. Who plays full-season U14 as a 9th grader? I would think a typical (public school) 9th grader of Bantum Major age, would play 1/2 season U14, and then play on an HS team, probably JV.


Most 9th graders can handle a full season U14 schedule.

My son's entire 04 team are coming back to play full season U14 next year. 1/2 the kids will be in 9th grade and playing on Public JV, ISL/Catholic school freshman teams.

Our U14 coach is scheduling tournaments from Labor Day to Thanksgiving. No tournaments between Thanksgiving and President's Day. We are also a National Bound team.

Very doable.

If a 9th grader only plays 1/2 season U14, what will he do from mid-February until Spring?

Re: Full season u14 next year

Anon
Duster Dad
Anon
"You'll probably find very little opposition in Bantam Minor \\\\"Elite.\\\\" The better players are moving on."

I'm not sure I get this and I didn't play hockey growing up so educate me here. I have an 06, most of his team is in sixth grade (11 year old's). Next year they will be in 7th for PW Major (12) and 8th (13) for Bantam Minor. Wouldn't it be logical that the same progression that we've experienced since mites holds? Do the upper-end kids tend to go to U14 full season in 8th?

I haven't put much thought into this but I would have assumed that Bantam Minor Elite would be similar just as competitive as when they were younger. I would also think that U14 for 9th graders would be appropriate if kids wanted to develop a little more before playing high school.

The only complication would be from the kids on the team that are a grade behind, which doesn't seem to be a lot.

Let me brace myself for the replies...
My kid is 05, and I have same questions. Who plays full-season U14 as a 9th grader? I would think a typical (public school) 9th grader of Bantum Major age, would play 1/2 season U14, and then play on an HS team, probably JV.


Most 9th graders can handle a full season U14 schedule.

My son's entire 04 team are coming back to play full season U14 next year. 1/2 the kids will be in 9th grade and playing on Public JV, ISL/Catholic school freshman teams.

Our U14 coach is scheduling tournaments from Labor Day to Thanksgiving. No tournaments between Thanksgiving and President's Day. We are also a National Bound team.

Very doable.

If a 9th grader only plays 1/2 season U14, what will he do from mid-February until Spring?
Chasing the Chicks....what else....:lips: :nail_care: :boot:

Re: Full season u14 next year

ANON
Anon
Duster Dad
Anon
\"You\'ll probably find very little opposition in Bantam Minor \\\\\\\\\"Elite.\\\\\\\\\" The better players are moving on.\"

I\'m not sure I get this and I didn\'t play hockey growing up so educate me here. I have an 06, most of his team is in sixth grade (11 year old\'s). Next year they will be in 7th for PW Major (12) and 8th (13) for Bantam Minor. Wouldn\'t it be logical that the same progression that we\'ve experienced since mites holds? Do the upper-end kids tend to go to U14 full season in 8th?

I haven\'t put much thought into this but I would have assumed that Bantam Minor Elite would be similar just as competitive as when they were younger. I would also think that U14 for 9th graders would be appropriate if kids wanted to develop a little more before playing high school.

The only complication would be from the kids on the team that are a grade behind, which doesn\'t seem to be a lot.

Let me brace myself for the replies...
My kid is 05, and I have same questions. Who plays full-season U14 as a 9th grader? I would think a typical (public school) 9th grader of Bantum Major age, would play 1/2 season U14, and then play on an HS team, probably JV.


Most 9th graders can handle a full season U14 schedule.

My son\'s entire 04 team are coming back to play full season U14 next year. 1/2 the kids will be in 9th grade and playing on Public JV, ISL/Catholic school freshman teams.

Our U14 coach is scheduling tournaments from Labor Day to Thanksgiving. No tournaments between Thanksgiving and President\'s Day. We are also a National Bound team.

Very doable.

If a 9th grader only plays 1/2 season U14, what will he do from mid-February until Spring?
Chasing the Chicks....what else....:lips: :nail_care: :boot:
My son would have no clue what to do with one if he caught one.

Re: Full season u14 next year

Anon
Anon
Anon
Anon
Anon
anon
Not true, not many 8th graders on the elite team or the tier 1 team, this team we have a fair amount of very good 8th graders(04s and 05\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'s playing up) from multiple clubs.
Why on earth should I have my 05E kid \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"play up\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\" to a EHF Tier 1 U14 full season team?

If he was going to be \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"playing up\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\" with and against 04 elite players I could see the advantage but not with and against AT BEST black division talent. What if in parity they don\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'t even make the black division? Then you are stuck with even crappier competition of the white division. I\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'m all for the kids playing up if it makes sense but in this situation I would much rather have my kid stay on his 05 elite team.

Maybe it\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'s just the parents again trying to pound on their chest that their kid is \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"playing up\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\" a year...
No parity at U14, dummy.
Maybe they should have parity. 12 of 20 teams below .500 this current season at EHF U14 full season. Yikes...maybe it is a mess...
I think you need a math course. Ina perfectly balanced league, 10 of 20 teams would be under .500. So, because it\'s 12, not 10, the league is a mess?

Guess how many NHL teams are under .500. I\'ll give you a hint. It\'s two more than half. Is that league a mess, too?
Thank you math czar but I think you slept through math class. In a "perfectly balanced" league all teams would be around .500. Please keep your blow-hard comments to yourself unless you know what your talking about. Maybe you didn't take any math classes past introduction to multiplication? The NHL argument means nothing here because at that level it's only about winning and none of the youth factors come into play. Seriously? NHL? You're an dumba**.

Back to the point...

The current EHF U14 Tier 1 has 20 teams. Half are good, half are bad. Every year it's a similar result in the standings whether it's because kids leaving for high school, more younger kids on a particular team, better players on 1/2 season teams, etc . It would make sense to split it into two 10 team divisions with some sort of parity and make it worthwhile for all players older or younger.



I wish there was U14 T1 EHF parity too, but I was told there will be none.

Re: Full season u14 next year

So let me get this right....

Many of you think playing up on a U14 Tier 1 team is silly because it will suck and the players suck.

Many of you think paying up on a U14 Tier 1 team is dangerous because it might be overwhelming and too fast.

OK I give.

This is what I do know... birth year doesn't matter! Grade does. Do you think they have high school tryouts and they say..."ok all the 05 forwards come over hear and all the 04 forwards go over there".

The truth is that my 05 will be in 8th grade next year just like other 8th grade 04s. At the end of the day, yes he may be playing "up" for birth year, but he will be playing( for the most part) with his grade.

Re: Full season u14 next year

But that begs the question; why wouldn't your 8th grader, an 05 next year, play Bantam Minor? He's a PW Maj this year in 7th so why not continue? I'm not seeing the huge upside at u14 and I don't understand why you wouldn't progress into Bantam. Just curious?

Re: Full season u14 next year

There were only a handful 04's this year that could handle playing up.

Re: Full season u14 next year

No knowledge of the person who posted, but i would assume the answer could be; the current team is blowing up, wants to change programs, or likes the coach...etc.
Going back to the original post, someone asked where are the Full Season U14 teams, someone else answered with a team having mostly 8th graders (04s and 05s).
Why is it that its a big deal and you have the 05 elites pumping their chest, people are allowed to choose what they think is best for their kid,
maybe they have a big 05 on a crappy elite team that would have no problem playing with kids a year older in a better program that maybe closer to home, with a good coach and friends on the team.

Re: Full season u14 next year

Anon
Anon
Anon
Anon
Anon
anon
Not true, not many 8th graders on the elite team or the tier 1 team, this team we have a fair amount of very good 8th graders(04s and 05\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'s playing up) from multiple clubs.
Why on earth should I have my 05E kid \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"play up\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\" to a EHF Tier 1 U14 full season team?

If he was going to be \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"playing up\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\" with and against 04 elite players I could see the advantage but not with and against AT BEST black division talent. What if in parity they don\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'t even make the black division? Then you are stuck with even crappier competition of the white division. I\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'m all for the kids playing up if it makes sense but in this situation I would much rather have my kid stay on his 05 elite team.

Maybe it\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'s just the parents again trying to pound on their chest that their kid is \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"playing up\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\" a year...
No parity at U14, dummy.
Maybe they should have parity. 12 of 20 teams below .500 this current season at EHF U14 full season. Yikes...maybe it is a mess...
I think you need a math course. Ina perfectly balanced league, 10 of 20 teams would be under .500. So, because it\'s 12, not 10, the league is a mess?

Guess how many NHL teams are under .500. I\'ll give you a hint. It\'s two more than half. Is that league a mess, too?
Thank you math czar but I think you slept through math class. In a "perfectly balanced" league all teams would be around .500. Please keep your blow-hard comments to yourself unless you know what your talking about. Maybe you didn't take any math classes past introduction to multiplication? The NHL argument means nothing here because at that level it's only about winning and none of the youth factors come into play. Seriously? NHL? You're an dumba**.

Back to the point...

The current EHF U14 Tier 1 has 20 teams. Half are good, half are bad. Every year it's a similar result in the standings whether it's because kids leaving for high school, more younger kids on a particular team, better players on 1/2 season teams, etc . It would make sense to split it into two 10 team divisions with some sort of parity and make it worthwhile for all players older or younger.



Well, technically we are both wrong. In a perfectly balanced league, every game would end in a tie.

But, you whiffed on the point (not surprised). In almost any league you look at, in any sport, you are going to have good teams and bad teams. There is nothing unique about FS U14. it was that way in Mites, it's that way in Midgets, Juniors, ECHL, AHL, NHL. If a league has one or two more bad than good, it doesn't make it "a mess."

Oh, and the goal of NHL teams is to make money. Winning helps. Winning also feeds the egos of wealthy people, which is important to some, but not all. But team owners really don't care about winning, as long as they are in the black. To fanboys like you, it's all that matters.

Re: Full season u14 next year

Anon
Anon
Anon
Anon
Anon
Anon
anon
Not true, not many 8th graders on the elite team or the tier 1 team, this team we have a fair amount of very good 8th graders(04s and 05\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'s playing up) from multiple clubs.
Why on earth should I have my 05E kid \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"play up\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\" to a EHF Tier 1 U14 full season team?

If he was going to be \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"playing up\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\" with and against 04 elite players I could see the advantage but not with and against AT BEST black division talent. What if in parity they don\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'t even make the black division? Then you are stuck with even crappier competition of the white division. I\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'m all for the kids playing up if it makes sense but in this situation I would much rather have my kid stay on his 05 elite team.

Maybe it\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'s just the parents again trying to pound on their chest that their kid is \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"playing up\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\" a year...
No parity at U14, dummy.
Maybe they should have parity. 12 of 20 teams below .500 this current season at EHF U14 full season. Yikes...maybe it is a mess...
I think you need a math course. Ina perfectly balanced league, 10 of 20 teams would be under .500. So, because it\\\'s 12, not 10, the league is a mess?

Guess how many NHL teams are under .500. I\\\'ll give you a hint. It\\\'s two more than half. Is that league a mess, too?
Thank you math czar but I think you slept through math class. In a \"perfectly balanced\" league all teams would be around .500. Please keep your blow-hard comments to yourself unless you know what your talking about. Maybe you didn\'t take any math classes past introduction to multiplication? The NHL argument means nothing here because at that level it\'s only about winning and none of the youth factors come into play. Seriously? NHL? You\'re an dumba**.

Back to the point...

The current EHF U14 Tier 1 has 20 teams. Half are good, half are bad. Every year it\'s a similar result in the standings whether it\'s because kids leaving for high school, more younger kids on a particular team, better players on 1/2 season teams, etc . It would make sense to split it into two 10 team divisions with some sort of parity and make it worthwhile for all players older or younger.



Well, technically we are both wrong. In a perfectly balanced league, every game would end in a tie.

But, you whiffed on the point (not surprised). In almost any league you look at, in any sport, you are going to have good teams and bad teams. There is nothing unique about FS U14. it was that way in Mites, it's that way in Midgets, Juniors, ECHL, AHL, NHL. If a league has one or two more bad than good, it doesn't make it "a mess."

Oh, and the goal of NHL teams is to make money. Winning helps. Winning also feeds the egos of wealthy people, which is important to some, but not all. But team owners really don't care about winning, as long as they are in the black. To fanboys like you, it's all that matters.
^^^Both these guys are annoying.

Re: Full season u14 next year

Hopefully, I can help some of the 05 parents to understand better what is happening, starting next year.

Bantams are "bridge years" to Midgets. Technically still Youth Hockey, but after U14, it isn't any more.

The first indication is, they call it U14. Right away, that tells you, you aren't in Youth Hockey any more. It used to be called Bantam Major. Not any more. So, why?

It was done because too many parents were still concerned about their kid "playing up." U14 legitimized it - if your kid is ready to break away from his birth year - for whatever reason - U14 attempts to de-stigmatize that.

The other reason is, Nationals. For the first time at the U14 level, teams start really trying to qualify for Nattys. U14 teams are brought together for that specific purpose, sort of like teams are formed for the Q. So the best 13 year olds will play U14, even if they are in 8th Grade. Or 7th Grade.

Then there are Prep schools. Many schools start in 7th Grade. Nobles, Bel Hill, Rivers, just to name a few - they all have school teams with good players. Some kids board at a Cardigan Mountain to play hockey, starting in 7th or 8th grade.

That also siphons off talent from the "birth year" concept.

Finally, if you don't know it already, you need to learn - fast. Public HS Varsity hockey has plummeted. Fallen off the shelf. Three years ago, at least the "Catholics" were good. Now, even their dominance of MIAA has disappeared. And it isn't because the Publics have gotten better.

And JV HS hockey is awful. Absolutely awful. Prep JV isn't much better.

So, that has opened the door for Full Season Midgets - U15, U16, U18 - and Juniors, which starts at age 16. Most of the best players still play Prep, if they can afford at least a good chunk of the tuition and handle it academically. The next talent rung play FS Midgets and Juniors. Those that are left play HS.

So, 05 parents, start thinking about the future, and thinking about what path to follow. If your kid really wants to play competitive HS hockey, get him to the gym. Get him in a summer-long skills deal. Get him on a Bantam team that is well coached - doesn't matter if it's "Elite" or "E9" or "Tier 1."

People keep saying, league and team don't matter, coaching does. Embrace it, because it's true.

Re: Full season u14 next year

Holy Crap! Another great post on the Dboard...Been through it and this is spot on.

Re: Full season u14 next year

Anon
Hopefully, I can help some of the 05 parents to understand better what is happening, starting next year.

Bantams are "bridge years" to Midgets. Technically still Youth Hockey, but after U14, it isn't any more.

The first indication is, they call it U14. Right away, that tells you, you aren't in Youth Hockey any more. It used to be called Bantam Major. Not any more. So, why?

It was done because too many parents were still concerned about their kid "playing up." U14 legitimized it - if your kid is ready to break away from his birth year - for whatever reason - U14 attempts to de-stigmatize that.

The other reason is, Nationals. For the first time at the U14 level, teams start really trying to qualify for Nattys. U14 teams are brought together for that specific purpose, sort of like teams are formed for the Q. So the best 13 year olds will play U14, even if they are in 8th Grade. Or 7th Grade.

Then there are Prep schools. Many schools start in 7th Grade. Nobles, Bel Hill, Rivers, just to name a few - they all have school teams with good players. Some kids board at a Cardigan Mountain to play hockey, starting in 7th or 8th grade.

That also siphons off talent from the "birth year" concept.

Finally, if you don't know it already, you need to learn - fast. Public HS Varsity hockey has plummeted. Fallen off the shelf. Three years ago, at least the "Catholics" were good. Now, even their dominance of MIAA has disappeared. And it isn't because the Publics have gotten better.

And JV HS hockey is awful. Absolutely awful. Prep JV isn't much better.

So, that has opened the door for Full Season Midgets - U15, U16, U18 - and Juniors, which starts at age 16. Most of the best players still play Prep, if they can afford at least a good chunk of the tuition and handle it academically. The next talent rung play FS Midgets and Juniors. Those that are left play HS.

So, 05 parents, start thinking about the future, and thinking about what path to follow. If your kid really wants to play competitive HS hockey, get him to the gym. Get him in a summer-long skills deal. Get him on a Bantam team that is well coached - doesn't matter if it's "Elite" or "E9" or "Tier 1."

People keep saying, league and team don't matter, coaching does. Embrace it, because it's true.
I would add, start talking to your kid about what HE wants and actually take the time to listen to his answer. The poster is correct with the landscape of HS hockey in MA but that doesn't mean it isn't a reasonable route for a player to pursue. That should be added into your decision about U14 hockey, programs, etc.

Re: Full season u14 next year

FWIW I have a 2004 and the vast majority of 2004s played bantam minor this season (at least EHF Elite and E9 players). For the 2005s, the hockey will be good next year, just like you have gotten used to throughout the youth years. I would suggest staying put another year to work out the checking aspect of the game and play another year with your peer group.

Not that I know anything (this is my first time through), but I'm going into next year (U14) looking for a full season because I'd rather err on the side of too much hockey than too little at this age level. I just remember my age 13-14 years and how much I played and how much that helped my development. I've got him in a program that will provide practices, skills, and weight training throughout the year. He can't afford to have an off year or a year with less hockey when he's ramping up for HS, and he needs to hit the weights hard now that he'll be 14 going on 15.

Re: Full season u14 next year

Highly doubt your bender is a higher end 05. Probably not good enough to make a good Elite team, so daddy would prefer he play U14 Tier 1 to say he's playing up.

Re: Full season u14 next year

And to the 05 guy, I have no problem with your guy playing up but most 04s are going to be freshmen next year not 8th graders

Re: Full season u14 next year

Anon
And to the 05 guy, I have no problem with your guy playing up but most 04s are going to be freshmen next year not 8th graders
Most 04s *should* be freshmen next year (2/3 of them, statistically), but many are 8th graders after having repeated a year, or will be repeating 8th grade.

Re: Full season u14 next year

It feels like I know a ton of September, October, November and December 2004s who will be in 8th grade next year! I’m not seeing a lot of Bantam Major options... seems to be going away in favor of U 14 teams!