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Refs do not get paid enough....

After watching all the BS the parents, players, and coaches give the refs, they are not being paid nearly enough.

Re: Refs do not get paid enough....

I agree. We have so many a-hole parents, that have no clue about the game, yelling and cursing at the refs and opponents. Embarrassing to me and my family. No need for this. That is not a good example of sportsmanship.

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Anon
I agree. We have so many a-hole parents, that have no clue about the game, yelling and cursing at the refs and opponents. Embarrassing to me and my family. No need for this. That is not a good example of sportsmanship.
Some parents - lots of parents - do know the hame and have every right to take the refs to task for being out of position, not knowing the rule book, and not being in charge of the game - until it"s too late.

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Anon
Anon
I agree. We have so many a-hole parents, that have no clue about the game, yelling and cursing at the refs and opponents. Embarrassing to me and my family. No need for this. That is not a good example of sportsmanship.
Some parents - lots of parents - do know the hame and have every right to take the refs to task for being out of position, not knowing the rule book, and not being in charge of the game - until it"s too late.
"the refs to task for not knowing the rule book": i was told when i signed my kid up there would be no 'homework' for parents.

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Anon
Anon
I agree. We have so many a-hole parents, that have no clue about the game, yelling and cursing at the refs and opponents. Embarrassing to me and my family. No need for this. That is not a good example of sportsmanship.
Some parents - lots of parents - do know the hame and have every right to take the refs to task for being out of position, not knowing the rule book, and not being in charge of the game - until it"s too late.
Great message you are sending the kids. Blame others for failure. Awesome parenting! That will work well in real life!

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Anon
After watching all the BS the parents, players, and coaches give the refs, they are not being paid nearly enough.
Ref, you better check your I phone... looks like you missed a call! 😂😂😂 gets me every time!

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Bro, it’s the truth. One of my boys is a ref. Dude you won’t believe the crap people say.

Re: Refs do not get paid enough....

Anon
After watching all the BS the parents, players, and coaches give the refs, they are not being paid nearly enough.
Sorry your ref got cut 😉

Re: Refs do not get paid enough....

Anon
After watching all the BS the parents, players, and coaches give the refs, they are not being paid nearly enough.
If the refs didn't take themselves so seriously they'd be much better off. If you get a call wrong, talk to the coaches, let them know you blew the whistle too soon... can't take it back and will try to do better next time! Don't be a home town ref. Know that the kids are 9, 10, 11, 12 years old! Who cares if they throw a tantrum! Put them in the box for 2 min and move on. Don't address the stupid Dad in the stands... ignoring him is much more effective... and get some THICKER SKIN for crying out loud! Hockey is supposed to be a tough game!

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Anon
Anon
After watching all the BS the parents, players, and coaches give the refs, they are not being paid nearly enough.
If the refs didn't take themselves so seriously they'd be much better off. If you get a call wrong, talk to the coaches, let them know you blew the whistle too soon... can't take it back and will try to do better next time! Don't be a home town ref. Know that the kids are 9, 10, 11, 12 years old! Who cares if they throw a tantrum! Put them in the box for 2 min and move on. Don't address the stupid Dad in the stands... ignoring him is much more effective... and get some THICKER SKIN for crying out loud! Hockey is supposed to be a tough game!
I agree with the exception of the loud mouth dad. I would like to see the ref come off the ice and stab them with skate. You know Happy Gilmore style.

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Dude, for the most part, every ref I know has played high school, junior, college, even a couple semi pro. We know the game. We want to help the kids at all ages but the parents , coaches, and players disrespect us so much it is difficult . Worse part is they don’t know the rules or the game. They need to learn the rules or shut up, we have to follow the rules regardless of how ignorant they are.

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Ref
Dude, for the most part, every ref I know has played high school, junior, college, even a couple semi pro. We know the game. We want to help the kids at all ages but the parents , coaches, and players disrespect us so much it is difficult . Worse part is they don’t know the rules or the game. They need to learn the rules or shut up, we have to follow the rules regardless of how ignorant they are.
Sorry your a ref 😂

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Your ignorance does not surprise me.

Re: Refs do not get paid enough....

Anon
Your ignorance does not surprise me.
Because Your a ref
Parents who watch this circus are either desperate or elitests.
Coaches who watch are tools
Refs that watch are plain ol losers
Sorry you didn't go pro

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Ref
Dude, for the most part, every ref I know has played high school, junior, college, even a couple semi pro. We know the game. We want to help the kids at all ages but the parents , coaches, and players disrespect us so much it is difficult . Worse part is they don’t know the rules or the game. They need to learn the rules or shut up, we have to follow the rules regardless of how ignorant they are.
I don't think the numbers bear you out. Lots of refs I see can't even skate. They are constantly out of position and make bad calls as a result. There was a U18 State finals game where they missed a puck going in that would have tied the game late. There was an MIAA game where the team celly started too soon and they missed a puck sliding in before the buzzer. Both times refs forgot what their jobs are and it decided important games.

If you don't want to do your job because the conditions are more than you can handle, don't take the check.

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So true! There's a way to work the refs during the game and be respectful at the same time. No need to fbomb every time you think they missed a call but sometimes you have to expect it from daddy coaches who aren't really coaches. Look at donatos goal the other night, ref was out of position and puck bounced off ref onto Donato's stick for goal. The coach for the Blues called the ref over and ref said my fault and they moved on...that's how you handle it!

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We had a game 1st vs 2nd late in the season, game is tied late. Net gets knocked off pegs due to two players making contact, ref won't let coach make change. Bad call, but a judgment call that the coach overargued. Got a bench minor, and the ref STILL wouldn't let him make a change. Of course now the coach goes ballistic and gets a second bench minor. Coach needed to handle it better, but how can you give a penalty to a coach for arguing when the ref doesn't know the rule?

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In that case the coach hurt his team.

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Anon
In that case the coach hurt his team.
Yes, he did, and that didn't escape notice by the parents or the team. But, the guy's point that these refs are all former pro players that know the rules and that parents don't is dumb.

In this case after the clash of egos was done the ref checked with the other ref and they allowed the change after the second penalty was called. Which is what he SHOULD have done to see if he saw better who knocked the net off the pegs.

The U18 State Finals example and the MIAA playoff example are instances where the laziness of the refs impacted kids' hockey careers. Those kids won't go to Nationals or played in their last game because the Refs. Didn't. Do. Their. Jobs. And then they come in here and whine about being yelled at.

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Parents who yell at youth hockey refs are losers. No way around it. LOSERS.

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To:8:28 AM poster: please learn how to read you moron. The poster did not say all the refs played pro..... he said most played high school, some juniors, some college, even some played semi pro. If you are going to make a stupid comment about a post, have somebody read the post for you. A big part of the problem is that the people commenting do not comprehend the rules.... and quite often the game either. Please silence your ignorance.

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BS - they get paid enough. If they can't take some heat occasionally, then quit, or don't do it - go work at the grocery store.

Couple of examples - you can't have some 15 year old kid as a ref in a a game where to players start throwing haymakers at each other and the ref is so small he can't even get control of the situation - that's terrible.

Also, when you are missing the most BASIC calls such as icing and off-sides that leads to either a goal or just a bad play - you need to re think being a ref - period.

It is a job - and you have to do your job right - if you can't do it right, or feel as though you really don't have to - then go find something else to do.

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anon
BS - they get paid enough. If they can't take some heat occasionally, then quit, or don't do it - go work at the grocery store.

Couple of examples - you can't have some 15 year old kid as a ref in a a game where to players start throwing haymakers at each other and the ref is so small he can't even get control of the situation - that's terrible.

Also, when you are missing the most BASIC calls such as icing and off-sides that leads to either a goal or just a bad play - you need to re think being a ref - period.

It is a job - and you have to do your job right - if you can't do it right, or feel as though you really don't have to - then go find something else to do.
So you are perfect and have never made a mistake on your job? When you do, do you have 30 parents dropping f-bombs at you while a bunch of 11 year old kids tell you "you suck". No..didn't think so. How many calls per game do they have to make? If they make 95% of the right calls, is that not good enough for you? Think about the game with the younger kids, did the player get tripped or just simply fall on his own? With reasonable effort, could that d-man have taken control of the puck at the dots or is it really icing? Then add in the rink manager who tells the ref's, we are ten minutes behind, do what you can to make some of that up this game before faceoff.

Here are a few things you may not be aware of
1) There is a huge shortage of referees available in our region
2) Ref's that keep games moving on time are more favorably viewed & scheduled so the system is telling them to swallow their whistles
3) If you are playing a 4pm game, chances are that your ref has already worked 4 or more games that day. See bullet point #1 and are tired

I agree, officiating has become increasing bad but the only time I get upset is when they let dangerous stuff go, i.e. charging, using the stick as a weapon, hits from behind, etc. I get frustrated with the bad calls and lack of calls but keep my mouth shut because
1) it's modeling better behavior to our kids
2) it's better than the alternative of no games

Don't get me wrong, the ref's who let the stick swing to the back of the helmet go uncalled deserve to be blasted but missing an offsides call, not so much.

I don't ref but I have a 19 year old who does and he chooses to work only VHL games at squirt and below even though he is certified higher because, in his words, "the few extra bucks ain't worth dealing with the jackass parents".

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anon
anon
BS - they get paid enough. If they can\'t take some heat occasionally, then quit, or don\'t do it - go work at the grocery store.

Couple of examples - you can\'t have some 15 year old kid as a ref in a a game where to players start throwing haymakers at each other and the ref is so small he can\'t even get control of the situation - that\'s terrible.

Also, when you are missing the most BASIC calls such as icing and off-sides that leads to either a goal or just a bad play - you need to re think being a ref - period.

It is a job - and you have to do your job right - if you can\'t do it right, or feel as though you really don\'t have to - then go find something else to do.
So you are perfect and have never made a mistake on your job? When you do, do you have 30 parents dropping f-bombs at you while a bunch of 11 year old kids tell you "you suck". No..didn't think so. How many calls per game do they have to make? If they make 95% of the right calls, is that not good enough for you? Think about the game with the younger kids, did the player get tripped or just simply fall on his own? With reasonable effort, could that d-man have taken control of the puck at the dots or is it really icing? Then add in the rink manager who tells the ref's, we are ten minutes behind, do what you can to make some of that up this game before faceoff.

Here are a few things you may not be aware of
1) There is a huge shortage of referees available in our region
2) Ref's that keep games moving on time are more favorably viewed & scheduled so the system is telling them to swallow their whistles
3) If you are playing a 4pm game, chances are that your ref has already worked 4 or more games that day. See bullet point #1 and are tired

I agree, officiating has become increasing bad but the only time I get upset is when they let dangerous stuff go, i.e. charging, using the stick as a weapon, hits from behind, etc. I get frustrated with the bad calls and lack of calls but keep my mouth shut because
1) it's modeling better behavior to our kids
2) it's better than the alternative of no games

Don't get me wrong, the ref's who let the stick swing to the back of the helmet go uncalled deserve to be blasted but missing an offsides call, not so much.

I don't ref but I have a 19 year old who does and he chooses to work only VHL games at squirt and below even though he is certified higher because, in his words, "the few extra bucks ain't worth dealing with the jackass parents".
Sorry your minimum wage REF got CUT...:laughing: :laughing: :dollar: :dollar: :dollar:

Re: Refs do not get paid enough....

anon
BS - they get paid enough. If they can't take some heat occasionally, then quit, or don't do it - go work at the grocery store.

Couple of examples - you can't have some 15 year old kid as a ref in a a game where to players start throwing haymakers at each other and the ref is so small he can't even get control of the situation - that's terrible.

Also, when you are missing the most BASIC calls such as icing and off-sides that leads to either a goal or just a bad play - you need to re think being a ref - period.

It is a job - and you have to do your job right - if you can't do it right, or feel as though you really don't have to - then go find something else to do.
"you can't have some 15 year old kid as a ref in a a game where to players start throwing haymakers at each other and the ref is so small he can't even get control of the situation" --- so your child and the 'others' can't control themselves, the coaches can't and do something that in school would result in a several day suspension... yep, you are making a case but not the one you think.

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No "my kid" doesn't come into play with haymakers - but nice projection ass hat. I stand by what I said, either do the job right or don't do it.

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Most refs are like bad cops. Went into profession because they were tools and now want to abuse their power.

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Obviously you wanted to be a cop but your fat ass could not make it by the fitness test. Sorry your fat ass got cut from being a cop.