Wondering what the thoughts are on the PHL? Is it the same as town as far as level of play goes?
Honestly depends on the team / organization. The top teams are probably better than town aa , emhl , bhl national. But the bottom feeders are more like glorified town AA and top emhl teams.
PHL is a mix bag. Teams in my sons division this year beat 2 E9 teams in tournaments and also beat a Tier 1 White team rather easily. I would say Premier Division is low Tier 1 Black high White. Elite is White/Silver. Overall competition does vary more than the EHF divisions but over all that where you would stick most of the teams. I am sure some yahoo's will have their own comments but i have 2 boys. one plays phl and the other Fed Elite so i have seen these teams in action at different birth years so i am aware of these organizations on both sides.
Evidence of that’s buddy? No PHL team beat any e9 team....BHL National or last place American, likely. E9, no way.
PHL is really bad competition and a ton of travel.
No more travel than the EHF. Premier is low black top white for the best of premier teams. Silver for the low end teams. Downside is you can go weeks without a competitive game.
Best phl team is about equal to middle of road ehf white or bhl american.
See what i did there ? 😂
Depends on the birth year.
My bender will win the Stanley Cup in 2028. Just ask me you clowns
The top tier PHL teams that went into or have gone he into BHL have struggled at the National level and barely won a game at the American level. what does that tell you !
I know all the EHF and BHL snobs will push up their noses and disagree; after all, there are ONLY 2 leagues worth playing in (Sarcasm).
However, from years of experience in the PHL, and watching many of their teams play in tournaments around New England, here is where I see the PHL.
Yes, admittedly the PHL has some depth issues. The league, to their detriment, prefers quantity over quality at their top division. Their shortsighted approach to forming tiers has actually done their reputation some serious harm in this area. If they put organization ego's aside and limited their top tiers to about 6 teams, then the product they put forth would be far better received, and they would actually find organization retention to be far easier. A failure to run effective Parity, if they run parity at all, has been a major contributor to this issue. As such, top teams want out because they play 8-12 games a year against teams who have no business being at the table, which benefits nobody developmentally.
With that disclaimer behind us, here is where they stack up at most levels.
- The top 2-3 in almost all of their top divisions compete with the bottom of EHFT1 black and EHFT1 white teams. They fall right in the middle of the BHL American.
- then the next group, 2-3 mid pack PHL Premier teams, compete well against bottom white and Silver. They would be well placed in the BHL national.
- and yes, the 2-3 bottom feeders of PHL Premier have no business playing at that level. They belong in the EMHL, or would be bottom feeders in the BHL National.
Time will tell whether PHL brass wake up and can see long term league growth over the short term paycheck of having more teams at the highest level of their league.
Phl( pathetic hockey league) has 1 maybe 2 good teams. The rest all suck.no comparison to ehf black. Perhaps the top 2-3 teams would be alright in white or national.ham and egger league.most town leagues are better.waste of money.
This conversation happened a few months back. Look at the JWK 05/06 PHL teams played EHF Black and did fine.
Like this guy said, after Elite it's all the same.
Someone else even broke the levels down further based on MHR and Premier was right between Black and American. White has good top teams, but drops off quickly at the youth levels.
Just because you play in the EHF it doesn't mean your automatically better.
Just do some tourney research, it's pretty easy to do, and you will find matchups that happened.
I'm the one who did the analysis. At the 05 level, they fall just below White (same level statistically speaking) and above Silver. The PHL was well below Black and American.
EHF Elite: 95.75
EHF T1 Black: 90.46
BHL American: 89.5
EHF T1 White: 87.81
EHF T1 Silver: 85.43
BHL National: 84.23
SSC PWA: 86.4
Thank you for doing this. Based on my sons age level only , I would agree with this 100%.
Would like to see the say that e9 winner plays ehf elite winner , to have a state champ.
I remember the 07 level what was that one. Or what post was it under.
Same analysis for the 07 level - PHL is not strong at this level
EHF Elite: 94.2 2.5
E9: 91.47 2.3
EHF T1 Black: 88.38 1.89
BHL American North: 88.12 1.10
EHF T1 White: 86.56 1.37
BHL American South: 85.72 1.23
EHF T1 Silver: 82.01 2.32
PHL Elite: 80.40 2.62
BHL National: 80.28 2.49
EMHL: 79.94 3.02
The second number is the Standard Deviation - the smaller the number, the closer in skill the teams are within that specific division.
Where is the PHL Premier level in both rankings. The Elite is the lower level.
Ooops - missed Premier for 2007. What is listed for 2005 is the Premier PHL. Here it is for 2007 - Above EHF Silver but below White and American South
Is this really a debate to proudly say that PHL teams can compete with Silver level teams ? Or even White ??
Silver and white are kids that were on town c teams and left because they thought they were better ! Facts.
Silver has to be the lowest level of hockey east of the Mississippi! Have you seen that level of hockey ?
Simply put, PHL is a piece of crap. Good luck with anyone telling you otherwise. Save the money and just play town.
Sorry if I hit a nerve. Just voicing my opinion just like you voiced yours.
And no reason to waste money in the silver or white division.
But it is “all about development”
Said the league was crap and not the kids.
He will have a great season because he is not in The PHL