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Re: Hey Coach.....

Anon
Who Dat?!
Now we have parents who think using a whiteboard means good coaching. Good grief.
Doesn't equal good coaching but it is common sense. Kids need to see it, coaches don't always speak the way kids understand it. Good grief to you if you don't know that.
It may be common sense to a novice coach/parent, but not to me. Save the critical feedback and whiteboards for after the game during chalk-talk before practices. Then introduce practice drills to reinforce the point. Let the kids enjoy themselves during the games.

How about this, I will give you a white board for your drive home with your bender...because I am sure he is already getting an earful.

Re: Hey Coach.....

Who Dat?!
Anon
Who Dat?!
Now we have parents who think using a whiteboard means good coaching. Good grief.
Doesn't equal good coaching but it is common sense. Kids need to see it, coaches don't always speak the way kids understand it. Good grief to you if you don't know that.
It may be common sense to a novice coach/parent, but not to me. Save the critical feedback and whiteboards for after the game during chalk-talk before practices. Then introduce practice drills to reinforce the point. Let the kids enjoy themselves during the games.

How about this, I will give you a white board for your drive home with your bender...because I am sure he is already getting an earful.
The average parent doesn't get that. The average parent doesn't understand that you don't spend every minute of every game trying to teach. The average parent doesn't understand the concept of information overload and the detrimental impact it has on performance.

But, no worries. It gives our kids an advantage.

Re: Hey Coach.....

The thing that drives me nuts is the coach with a dunks med reg and can't even open the door for a mite because he's to important as the HC.

Re: Hey Coach.....

Who Dat?!
Now we have parents who think using a whiteboard means good coaching. Good grief.
White board sessions in the locker room for PW and above are mandatory for learning the game. If a coach isn't doing this, they are not teaching the game of hockey. Skills are one thing, but learning the game of hockey is completely different. Even Squirt major should have WB LR sessions.

WB on the bench is a tool and if the coach doesn't use one, they are not teaching the kids in the moment.

Re: Hey Coach.....

Would love to know what birth year we are talking about.

Re: Hey Coach.....

Anon
Would love to know what birth year we are talking about.
why? I've seen it at all levels. There are always those couple of kids who don't get it. Afraid to ask what coaches mean? Maybe, but if they aren't getting it, you draw a picture. If they keep doing it you sit them. Rarely see dry boards anymore, my own kids team included

Re: Hey Coach.....

It does not matter what age. In school, good teachers write on the board to help explainations, they don't just talk. Same goes for good coaching.

Re: Hey Coach.....

Pops
It does not matter what age. In school, good teachers write on the board to help explainations, they don't just talk. Same goes for good coaching.
Teachers don't teach during tests, though. Students are expected to come in prepared.

A good coach doesn't try to teach too much during games. That's what practice is for.

If a coach is constantly trying to correct players during games, it will create confusion, doubt and a lack of confidence in the players' minds. You can't always be thinking about different approaches and be expected to perform at your best. Sometimes players have to read and react.

A simple verbal suggestion, maybe a hand gesture or two to "illustrate" at an appropriate teachable moment, combined with balanced, positive reinforcement should do it.

Save the whiteboard for practice. Bring a notebook instead and take notes on what to work on in practice. You'll be a much more effective coach for it.

Re: Hey Coach.....

I've never seen a college or pro coach using a white board.
Have you? /S

Re: Hey Coach.....

heynowref
I've never seen a college or pro coach using a white board.
Have you?
Yes. They will diagram a specific play intended to get that last second goal, or line up the defense to prevent one.

They also use electronic devices.

But, our kids are pros.

Re: Hey Coach.....

And you just showed your ignorance.

Re: Hey Coach.....

heynowref
I've never seen a college or pro coach using a white board.
Have you? /S
Yes for both.

Re: Hey Coach.....

heynowref
I've never seen a college or pro coach using a white board.
Have you? /S
All the time for both except nowadays we call them iPads and MS Surfaces.

Re: Hey Coach.....

heynowref
I've never seen a college or pro coach using a white board.
Have you? /S
Many times

Re: Hey Coach.....

heynowref
I've never seen a college or pro coach using a white board.
Have you? /S
have you ever seen a college or pro game. The assistants are constantly talking about plays and re adjusting to the game. I am sure Bill Belichick just stands there are watches the games and never talks to players.

Re: Hey Coach.....

heynowref
I\'ve never seen a college or pro coach using a white board.
Have you? /S
ya'll need to get out of the hockey forum everyone once in a while

/S = end of sarcasm

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=%2Fs

Re: Hey Coach.....

If you didn't have the in the first word, we might have understood the sarcasm versus bad typing skills.

Re: Hey Coach.....

heynowref
heynowref
I\\\'ve never seen a college or pro coach using a white board.
Have you? /S
ya'll need to get out of the hockey forum everyone once in a while

/S = end of sarcasm

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=%2Fs
You might actually want to read what the link says before you post the link.

/s
A sign used on the internet by stupid people to tell other stupid people that they are being sarcastic, in the process defeating the purpose of sarcasm in the first place, making the sign entirely useless

Re: Hey Coach.....

Anon
Pops
It does not matter what age. In school, good teachers write on the board to help explainations, they don\'t just talk. Same goes for good coaching.
Teachers don't teach during tests, though. Students are expected to come in prepared.

A good coach doesn't try to teach too much during games. That's what practice is for.

If a coach is constantly trying to correct players during games, it will create confusion, doubt and a lack of confidence in the players' minds. You can't always be thinking about different approaches and be expected to perform at your best. Sometimes players have to read and react.

A simple verbal suggestion, maybe a hand gesture or two to "illustrate" at an appropriate teachable moment, combined with balanced, positive reinforcement should do it.

Save the whiteboard for practice. Bring a notebook instead and take notes on what to work on in practice. You'll be a much more effective coach for it.
Apparently you are coach that doesn't understand how kids learn. I assume you never played past town hockey. Kids need feedback other wise that moment is gone.

I assume you don't use a white board during pregame discussions....or are you one of those coaches that allow music to be played up until the zamboni doors close.?

Re: Hey Coach.....

Anon
Anon
Pops
It does not matter what age. In school, good teachers write on the board to help explainations, they don\\\'t just talk. Same goes for good coaching.
Teachers don\'t teach during tests, though. Students are expected to come in prepared.

A good coach doesn\'t try to teach too much during games. That\'s what practice is for.

If a coach is constantly trying to correct players during games, it will create confusion, doubt and a lack of confidence in the players\' minds. You can\'t always be thinking about different approaches and be expected to perform at your best. Sometimes players have to read and react.

A simple verbal suggestion, maybe a hand gesture or two to \"illustrate\" at an appropriate teachable moment, combined with balanced, positive reinforcement should do it.

Save the whiteboard for practice. Bring a notebook instead and take notes on what to work on in practice. You\'ll be a much more effective coach for it.
Apparently you are coach that doesn't understand how kids learn. I assume you never played past town hockey. Kids need feedback other wise that moment is gone.

I assume you don't use a white board during pregame discussions....or are you one of those coaches that allow music to be played up until the zamboni doors close.?
You apparently focused a bit too much on "elite" hockey when you were as lad at the expense of a solid education. You missed the whole "simple verbal suggestion...at an appropriate teachable moment" part.

Kids aren't elite athletes. Very little information is being transferred to a 10 year old by a coach frantically diagramming plays, banging on the white board with the pen for emphasis, in the middle of a game. You only THINK that is good coaching. It isn't, and a good coach knows that.

Re: Hey Coach.....

Thanks lazy coach. You probably don’t bring pucks or water bottle to the rink either....

Re: Hey Coach.....

Anon
Thanks lazy coach. You probably don’t bring pucks or water bottle to the rink either....
And you apparently missed the part about bringing a notebook to know what to work on in practice.

God, read, people, READ. It'll save you from looking ignorant.

Re: Hey Coach.....

Anon
Anon
Thanks lazy coach. You probably don’t bring pucks or water bottle to the rink either....
And you apparently missed the part about bringing a notebook to know what to work on in practice.

God, read, people, READ. It'll save you from looking ignorant.
Admit it, if you did a quick 20 second teaching moment for a player, you might miss an amazing play made by your son.....come one, we all know it true.

Re: Hey Coach.....

Anon
Thanks lazy coach. You probably don’t bring pucks or water bottle to the rink either....
Water bottles are for games only.

No water bottles for practice unless you pull a wheelie bag.

Re: Hey Coach.....

Anon
Anon
Anon
Pops
It does not matter what age. In school, good teachers write on the board to help explainations, they don\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'t just talk. Same goes for good coaching.
Teachers don\\\\\\\'t teach during tests, though. Students are expected to come in prepared.

A good coach doesn\\\\\\\'t try to teach too much during games. That\\\\\\\'s what practice is for.

If a coach is constantly trying to correct players during games, it will create confusion, doubt and a lack of confidence in the players\\\\\\\' minds. You can\\\\\\\'t always be thinking about different approaches and be expected to perform at your best. Sometimes players have to read and react.

A simple verbal suggestion, maybe a hand gesture or two to \\\\\\\"illustrate\\\\\\\" at an appropriate teachable moment, combined with balanced, positive reinforcement should do it.

Save the whiteboard for practice. Bring a notebook instead and take notes on what to work on in practice. You\\\\\\\'ll be a much more effective coach for it.
Apparently you are coach that doesn\\\'t understand how kids learn. I assume you never played past town hockey. Kids need feedback other wise that moment is gone.

I assume you don\\\'t use a white board during pregame discussions....or are you one of those coaches that allow music to be played up until the zamboni doors close.?
You apparently focused a bit too much on \"elite\" hockey when you were as lad at the expense of a solid education. You missed the whole \"simple verbal suggestion...at an appropriate teachable moment\" part.

Kids aren\'t elite athletes. Very little information is being transferred to a 10 year old by a coach frantically diagramming plays, banging on the white board with the pen for emphasis, in the middle of a game. You only THINK that is good coaching. It isn\'t, and a good coach knows that.
Apparently you are a coach with zero background in early childhood education.
Even USA hockey supports this method. One thing that USAH does understand is how kids learn.

"Very little information is being transferred to a 10 year old by a coach frantically diagramming plays, banging on the white board with the pen for emphasis, in the middle of a game"
- Who mentioned frantically diagramming plays?
- Who mentioned banging the white board with a pen for emphasis?
>>>Those may be your methods, but that is not what good coaches do.

Or is it that you don't like seeing junior having a whiteboard session with the coach when his shift ends? Do you see this as a reflection on you as a man when your kid has a quick WB lesson in order to improve when he is the hockey situation again?


Be on your way and leaving the coaching to the people who understand hockey AND understand how kids between the ages of 10-16 learn.

Re: Hey Coach.....

Anon
Anon
Pops
It does not matter what age. In school, good teachers write on the board to help explainations, they don\\\'t just talk. Same goes for good coaching.
Teachers don\'t teach during tests, though. Students are expected to come in prepared.

A good coach doesn\'t try to teach too much during games. That\'s what practice is for.

If a coach is constantly trying to correct players during games, it will create confusion, doubt and a lack of confidence in the players\' minds. You can\'t always be thinking about different approaches and be expected to perform at your best. Sometimes players have to read and react.

A simple verbal suggestion, maybe a hand gesture or two to \"illustrate\" at an appropriate teachable moment, combined with balanced, positive reinforcement should do it.

Save the whiteboard for practice. Bring a notebook instead and take notes on what to work on in practice. You\'ll be a much more effective coach for it.
Apparently you are coach that doesn't understand how kids learn. I assume you never played past town hockey. Kids need feedback other wise that moment is gone.

I assume you don't use a white board during pregame discussions....or are you one of those coaches that allow music to be played up until the zamboni doors close.?
Here's a piece of advice, most youth hockey players are thinking about Fortnight or their Snapchat streak while you pontificate during your 20 minutes pre-game speeches.

Re: Hey Coach.....

Anon
Pops
It does not matter what age. In school, good teachers write on the board to help explainations, they don\'t just talk. Same goes for good coaching.
Teachers don't teach during tests, though. Students are expected to come in prepared.

A good coach doesn't try to teach too much during games. That's what practice is for.

If a coach is constantly trying to correct players during games, it will create confusion, doubt and a lack of confidence in the players' minds. You can't always be thinking about different approaches and be expected to perform at your best. Sometimes players have to read and react.

A simple verbal suggestion, maybe a hand gesture or two to "illustrate" at an appropriate teachable moment, combined with balanced, positive reinforcement should do it.

Save the whiteboard for practice. Bring a notebook instead and take notes on what to work on in practice. You'll be a much more effective coach for it.
If you don't tell a kid they did something wrong when they come off the ice then as far as they are concerned they did everything right. If you try to explain something at practice they will have long forgotten the play you are referring.

I recommend if you coach that way you add a white board instead of the note taking. Kids forget and move on. Plain and simple.

Re: Hey Coach.....

Anon
Anon
Pops
It does not matter what age. In school, good teachers write on the board to help explainations, they don\\\'t just talk. Same goes for good coaching.
Teachers don\'t teach during tests, though. Students are expected to come in prepared.

A good coach doesn\'t try to teach too much during games. That\'s what practice is for.

If a coach is constantly trying to correct players during games, it will create confusion, doubt and a lack of confidence in the players\' minds. You can\'t always be thinking about different approaches and be expected to perform at your best. Sometimes players have to read and react.

A simple verbal suggestion, maybe a hand gesture or two to \"illustrate\" at an appropriate teachable moment, combined with balanced, positive reinforcement should do it.

Save the whiteboard for practice. Bring a notebook instead and take notes on what to work on in practice. You\'ll be a much more effective coach for it.
If you don't tell a kid they did something wrong when they come off the ice then as far as they are concerned they did everything right. If you try to explain something at practice they will have long forgotten the play you are referring.

I recommend if you coach that way you add a white board instead of the note taking. Kids forget and move on. Plain and simple.
^^^^^ This dude gets it ^^^^^

Re: Hey Coach.....

Anon
Anon
Would love to know what birth year we are talking about.
why? I've seen it at all levels. There are always those couple of kids who don't get it. Afraid to ask what coaches mean? Maybe, but if they aren't getting it, you draw a picture. If they keep doing it you sit them. Rarely see dry boards anymore, my own kids team included
White boards aren't just for the bench. They are key in the locker room before the game to allow kids to learn the game, ask questions and learn in a lower pressure environment.

Re: Hey Coach.....

It doesn’t matter what I put on the whiteboard. Your little benders are chewing on crayons in the locker room before the game while I’m trying to draw up a proper d-zone. On the bench they have no interest. Just keep writing the checks and stop complaining. I need your money to pay for the kids who have a shot at high school JV

Re: Hey Coach.....

This though process is like screaming at a blind person driving to stay on the right side of the road....

Kids need to see it, especially this day and age.

Agree on over analyzing and coaching but come on buddy, be better. Don’t be stubborn, just learn that coaching is about realizing you are learning as you go, just like the kids. Always new ways to do something and a new ways to educate the players. The best coaches are always the most humble and modest.

Be better.

Re: Hey Coach.....

Anon
This though process is like screaming at a blind person driving to stay on the right side of the road....

Kids need to see it, especially this day and age.

Agree on over analyzing and coaching but come on buddy, be better. Don’t be stubborn, just learn that coaching is about realizing you are learning as you go, just like the kids. Always new ways to do something and a new ways to educate the players. The best coaches are always the most humble and modest.

Be better.
Translation......"DO YOUR JOB"...:laughing: :laughing:

Re: Hey Coach.....

The great white board debate. Right up there with Kennedy vs. Nixon, October 1960.

If your idea of "visual teaching" is sticking a white board in front of a kid right after his shift while your coffee breath wafts in his face, then you are doing it wrong.

Re: Hey Coach.....

Who Dat?!
The great white board debate. Right up there with Kennedy vs. Nixon, October 1960.

If your idea of "visual teaching" is sticking a white board in front of a kid right after his shift while your coffee breath wafts in his face, then you are doing it wrong.

Who Dat? is DEFINITELY a EHF Silver, white, PHL or BHL National coach.

Re: Hey Coach.....

Hmm. Good job standing on the bench with your arms crossed looking at your phone. You riding the pine at Curry College for four years thinking you know hockey really is helping my son? FYI. Your not really a hockey guy. Sorry.