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What is this - are other rinks allowing it?

From FMC:

Ice Hockey Games Will Be Allowed on Monday, August 17th

Hockey games will be allowed to resume on Monday, August 17th, provided organizers and participants can comply with updated Massachusetts guidance and collect contact tracing information for all participants, officials, and spectators.

Since it is still classified as a higher risk sport, Ice Hockey will only be allowed game play with new sport-specific modifications that meet the overall minimum standards set forth by the Commonwealth.

The updated minimum standards for all moderate and higher risk sports include:
No-check, minimized contact
No more than 25 participants on the ice surface at any time during a game or scrimmage (not including officials).
Practices can continue using up to two cohorts of 25 spaced at least 14’ apart and social distanced within the cohort.
Face coverings for officials and coaches at all times
Face coverings for players on the bench and when taking a face-off
Social distancing on the bench (6’ separation)
Contact tracing information for EVERY person entering the building (including officials and spectators)
Spectators limited to 1 person per participant up to 40% of the building capacity only if social distanced, NO spectators for participants 21 or older
Face coverings for EVERYONE at all times in the building except participants while engaged in aerobic activity
Team room use remains at 50% capacity
No showers
Restrooms limited to social distance capacity
No water fountain, only water fill if available
Maintain current sanitation requirements
Separate entrance and exit paths
No use of conference / meeting rooms
Prevent social gatherings throughout the facility and in the parking lot

The updated Organizer Checklist includes guidelines that all sports organizers must follow that reflect the new information released about moderate and higher risk sports and activities today.

Ice hockey leaders are currently developing hockey-specific guidelines which will be released on Monday, August 17th.

Massachusetts Hockey will also be hosting an informational webinar on Monday, August 17th at 6:30pm. We will share the webinar details when they are available and we encourage you to participate.

We appreciate your patience as we implement the new guidance in our arenas to allow hockey games to resume as quickly as possible.

We cannot wait to see you back on the ice!

FMC Ice Sports

Re: What is this - are other rinks allowing it?

How large is the rock you've been under?

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Anon
How large is the rock you've been under?
Fairly big I guess

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Can the ref blow the whistle through a mask?

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Can we now play hockey and to all the lib tard fear mongering stats geaks who have been telling everyone since March no hockey until 21 - 22.. suk it!

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Anon
Can we now play hockey and to all the lib tard fear mongering stats geaks who have been telling everyone since March no hockey until 21 - 22.. suk it!
Lets take what we can get. This is better than no hockey at all.

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It’s clear you are an effing idiot.

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Anon
Can we now play hockey and to all the lib tard fear mongering stats geaks who have been telling everyone since March no hockey until 21 - 22.. suk it!
We can. You still can’t write a coherent sentence.

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this is some funny stuff. This is not hockey, you can slap a sticker on a pig that says "cow", but it's still a pig.

these guidelines are impossible to follow and are unrealistic. aside from the mask guidelines, which are nearly impossible to adhere to and enforce. and the contact tracing requirements being impossible to administer.

no puck battles/scrums is the biggest hurdle. explain to me how you play ice hockey without puck battles. they are a fundamental part of the game and cannot be removed. you cannot go 10 seconds in any hockey game without there being some kind of contact or puck battle, the removal of them turns the sport into field hockey on skates. how does the game ever even get started off a faceoff? 50% of faceoffs result in an immediate battle for the puck, which would result in a whistle. all games end 0-0 and never get out of the neutral zone.

games will take 3 hrs to play and will become a waste of time, money, and resources. this will not help with anyone's enjoyment or development.

MA hockey even releasing this, just shows how short sighted and out of touch with reality they all are.

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this is some funny stuff. This is not hockey, you can slap a sticker on a pig that says "cow", but it's still a pig.

these guidelines are impossible to follow and are unrealistic. aside from the mask guidelines, which are nearly impossible to adhere to and enforce. and the contact tracing requirements being impossible to administer.

no puck battles/scrums is the biggest hurdle. explain to me how you play ice hockey without puck battles. they are a fundamental part of the game and cannot be removed. you cannot go 10 seconds in any hockey game without there being some kind of contact or puck battle, the removal of them turns the sport into field hockey on skates. how does the game ever even get started off a faceoff? 50% of faceoffs result in an immediate battle for the puck, which would result in a whistle. all games end 0-0 and never get out of the neutral zone.

games will take 3 hrs to play and will become a waste of time, money, and resources. this will not help with anyone's enjoyment or development.

MA hockey even releasing this, just shows how short sighted and out of touch with reality they all are.

Ok, Karen, crawl back under your bed.

Re: What is this - are other rinks allowing it?

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this is some funny stuff. This is not hockey, you can slap a sticker on a pig that says \"cow\", but it\'s still a pig.

these guidelines are impossible to follow and are unrealistic. aside from the mask guidelines, which are nearly impossible to adhere to and enforce. and the contact tracing requirements being impossible to administer.

no puck battles/scrums is the biggest hurdle. explain to me how you play ice hockey without puck battles. they are a fundamental part of the game and cannot be removed. you cannot go 10 seconds in any hockey game without there being some kind of contact or puck battle, the removal of them turns the sport into field hockey on skates. how does the game ever even get started off a faceoff? 50% of faceoffs result in an immediate battle for the puck, which would result in a whistle. all games end 0-0 and never get out of the neutral zone.

games will take 3 hrs to play and will become a waste of time, money, and resources. this will not help with anyone\'s enjoyment or development.

MA hockey even releasing this, just shows how short sighted and out of touch with reality they all are.

Ok, Karen, crawl back under your bed.
In the long run the sport will be better off. Get rid of the non-athletes raising non-athletes that are only clogging the channels until HS when they quit to play video games and do drugs.

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Anon
Can we now play hockey and to all the lib tard fear mongering stats geaks who have been telling everyone since March no hockey until 21 - 22.. suk it!
We can. You still can’t write a coherent sentence.
Word.

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ANON
From FMC:

Ice Hockey Games Will Be Allowed on Monday, August 17th

Hockey games will be allowed to resume on Monday, August 17th, provided organizers and participants can comply with updated Massachusetts guidance and collect contact tracing information for all participants, officials, and spectators.

Since it is still classified as a higher risk sport, Ice Hockey will only be allowed game play with new sport-specific modifications that meet the overall minimum standards set forth by the Commonwealth.

The updated minimum standards for all moderate and higher risk sports include:
No-check, minimized contact
No more than 25 participants on the ice surface at any time during a game or scrimmage (not including officials).
Practices can continue using up to two cohorts of 25 spaced at least 14’ apart and social distanced within the cohort.
Face coverings for officials and coaches at all times
Face coverings for players on the bench and when taking a face-off
Social distancing on the bench (6’ separation)
Contact tracing information for EVERY person entering the building (including officials and spectators)
Spectators limited to 1 person per participant up to 40% of the building capacity only if social distanced, NO spectators for participants 21 or older
Face coverings for EVERYONE at all times in the building except participants while engaged in aerobic activity
Team room use remains at 50% capacity
No showers
Restrooms limited to social distance capacity
No water fountain, only water fill if available
Maintain current sanitation requirements
Separate entrance and exit paths
No use of conference / meeting rooms
Prevent social gatherings throughout the facility and in the parking lot

The updated Organizer Checklist includes guidelines that all sports organizers must follow that reflect the new information released about moderate and higher risk sports and activities today.

Ice hockey leaders are currently developing hockey-specific guidelines which will be released on Monday, August 17th.

Massachusetts Hockey will also be hosting an informational webinar on Monday, August 17th at 6:30pm. We will share the webinar details when they are available and we encourage you to participate.

We appreciate your patience as we implement the new guidance in our arenas to allow hockey games to resume as quickly as possible.

We cannot wait to see you back on the ice!

FMC Ice Sports
haha what a joke. Mask coverings for face-offs. Oh, but the battle in the corner with 3/4 kids going for the puck is fine.

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This is what I’m most curious about...guideline say no scrum for puck/ball. Are we in for the longest games ever because whistles are going to blowing every 30 seconds when they are in corners or up against the boards?

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When has there ever been a mouth guard requirement. Does that go with the neck guard requirement.

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anon
Since no contact, they gotta then drop the mouthguard requirement.

With the masks that is just crazy not to be able to breathe through mouth and have nose covered while exerting, skating. This is just stupid and half ass thought out.
I ski with a face covering all the time. It’s an adjustment, not that hard.

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It said cohorts of groups of 10.

Also said 25 total participants on a playing surface , so if two teams both have 15 kids that’s 30 total. Need to cut kids to get to smaller teams.

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Hello 4v4 Full ice hockey!

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Anon
It said cohorts of groups of 10.

Also said 25 total participants on a playing surface , so if two teams both have 15 kids that’s 30 total. Need to cut kids to get to smaller teams.
Benches are not the playing surface. Just the ice. Use your brain dummy.

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Ha! I had the same conversation today. 5v5 and 2 goalies = 12. I'll send the kids out of the lockeroom like WWE on shift changes if I need to! Let's deal with it like baseball, lax etc. We have a chance, let's not screw it up. Is it perfect, heck no,but let's figure it out and make the best of it.

Coaches, wear you masks and don't f'it up. The kids will adapt, they want to play regardless of the no checking etc. Just ask them. They want to be with their teammates and love that the parents aren't allowed. I coach baseball as well, and this season has been the best so far. Kids have no fear of screwing up because parents aren't there to yell! Let's GO!!

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It said cohorts of groups of 10.

Also said 25 total participants on a playing surface , so if two teams both have 15 kids that’s 30 total. Need to cut kids to get to smaller teams.
Benches are not the playing surface. Just the ice. Use your brain dummy.
I saw your wife Big Bessie at the rink today!!

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Anon
It said cohorts of groups of 10.

Also said 25 total participants on a playing surface , so if two teams both have 15 kids that’s 30 total. Need to cut kids to get to smaller teams.
Is the bench considered the playing surface if not then I’ll set

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>Is the bench considered the playing surface if not then I’ll set.

Of course you're all set. Your kid will never get a sniff of the playing surface while safely hugging pine on the bench.

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A typical bench is about 20-25 feet long. So this allows for at most one unit of 5 on the bench spaced 6' apart.

For youth hockey simply rolling lines this can be done if the 5 man unit coming off ice rotates to the walkway, the walkway unit of 5 goes to the bench and the bench goes to the ice. Sucks but could work.

This will NOT work with older players where line matching is key and individual player ice time is more directed.

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anon
A typical bench is about 20-25 feet long. So this allows for at most one unit of 5 on the bench spaced 6' apart.

For youth hockey simply rolling lines this can be done if the 5 man unit coming off ice rotates to the walkway, the walkway unit of 5 goes to the bench and the bench goes to the ice. Sucks but could work.

This will NOT work with older players where line matching is key and individual player ice time is more directed.
The rules are impractical on a number of fronts. Basically, they establish a framework. Different sports now need to figure out how to operate within the spirit of the rules and ask for adaptations and interpretations. It's similar to when the SEC or IRS come out with a new regulation.

Be interesting to hear what MA Hockey says tonight. Of course, no matter what they say, it will lead to a bunch of hand-wringing and misinformation being spread here.

We have a month plus to figure it all out. And we will figure it all out.

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Anon
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A typical bench is about 20-25 feet long. So this allows for at most one unit of 5 on the bench spaced 6\' apart.

For youth hockey simply rolling lines this can be done if the 5 man unit coming off ice rotates to the walkway, the walkway unit of 5 goes to the bench and the bench goes to the ice. Sucks but could work.

This will NOT work with older players where line matching is key and individual player ice time is more directed.
The rules are impractical on a number of fronts. Basically, they establish a framework. Different sports now need to figure out how to operate within the spirit of the rules and ask for adaptations and interpretations. It's similar to when the SEC or IRS come out with a new regulation.

Be interesting to hear what MA Hockey says tonight. Of course, no matter what they say, it will lead to a bunch of hand-wringing and misinformation being spread here.

We have a month plus to figure it all out. And we will figure it all out.
love your optimism but there has to be a bit of flexibility from the powers that be if this is going to work on any level. If they insist on masks for face offs, on the bench and 6' between players on the bench I don't see much of a hockey season starting. Certainly not for older kids. Hockey is a game of speed not just skating but face offs, line changes, etc. The rules currently in place completely prevent that from happening. You have to remember a sizable portion of the population wants pretty much all of society still in lock down and are not sympathetic to the problems facing youth sports. And those people seem to have the ear of the decision makers.

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This is simply Bakers way of saying fine, you want hockey here you go. Make it work or not.

How it is interpreted and then enforced is a whole other matter.

Put masks on the kids and let them skate. Intermittent contact and faceoffs are allowed with masks on. So puck battles, pinching kids off all work this way. Checking does not.

Isn't it then just no check hockey with face masks? Rinks have to expand benches which could work in 75% of the rinks I go to.

Deal with it or don't play. You make the call for your kids.

"Oh but little Johnny can't play that way." Than make him stay at home. Deal with it you whiner/wiener.

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A typical bench is about 20-25 feet long. So this allows for at most one unit of 5 on the bench spaced 6\\\' apart.

For youth hockey simply rolling lines this can be done if the 5 man unit coming off ice rotates to the walkway, the walkway unit of 5 goes to the bench and the bench goes to the ice. Sucks but could work.

This will NOT work with older players where line matching is key and individual player ice time is more directed.
The rules are impractical on a number of fronts. Basically, they establish a framework. Different sports now need to figure out how to operate within the spirit of the rules and ask for adaptations and interpretations. It\'s similar to when the SEC or IRS come out with a new regulation.

Be interesting to hear what MA Hockey says tonight. Of course, no matter what they say, it will lead to a bunch of hand-wringing and misinformation being spread here.

We have a month plus to figure it all out. And we will figure it all out.
love your optimism but there has to be a bit of flexibility from the powers that be if this is going to work on any level. If they insist on masks for face offs, on the bench and 6' between players on the bench I don't see much of a hockey season starting. Certainly not for older kids. Hockey is a game of speed not just skating but face offs, line changes, etc. The rules currently in place completely prevent that from happening. You have to remember a sizable portion of the population wants pretty much all of society still in lock down and are not sympathetic to the problems facing youth sports. And those people seem to have the ear of the decision makers.
So, what if the interpretation is that a bubble counts as a face mask?

Did you know that Bauer announced a "splash guard" attachment that is to be released this month?

Doesn't that make the face-off problem go away? Can it answer the contact-in-the-corner question?

Some people look at issues and see problems. I look at issues and see solutions.

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A typical bench is about 20-25 feet long. So this allows for at most one unit of 5 on the bench spaced 6\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\' apart.

For youth hockey simply rolling lines this can be done if the 5 man unit coming off ice rotates to the walkway, the walkway unit of 5 goes to the bench and the bench goes to the ice. Sucks but could work.

This will NOT work with older players where line matching is key and individual player ice time is more directed.
The rules are impractical on a number of fronts. Basically, they establish a framework. Different sports now need to figure out how to operate within the spirit of the rules and ask for adaptations and interpretations. It\\\\\\\'s similar to when the SEC or IRS come out with a new regulation.

Be interesting to hear what MA Hockey says tonight. Of course, no matter what they say, it will lead to a bunch of hand-wringing and misinformation being spread here.

We have a month plus to figure it all out. And we will figure it all out.
love your optimism but there has to be a bit of flexibility from the powers that be if this is going to work on any level. If they insist on masks for face offs, on the bench and 6\\\' between players on the bench I don\\\'t see much of a hockey season starting. Certainly not for older kids. Hockey is a game of speed not just skating but face offs, line changes, etc. The rules currently in place completely prevent that from happening. You have to remember a sizable portion of the population wants pretty much all of society still in lock down and are not sympathetic to the problems facing youth sports. And those people seem to have the ear of the decision makers.
So, what if the interpretation is that a bubble counts as a face mask?

Did you know that Bauer announced a \"splash guard\" attachment that is to be released this month?

Doesn\'t that make the face-off problem go away? Can it answer the contact-in-the-corner question?

Some people look at issues and see problems. I look at issues and see solutions.
I haven't seen that splash guard come out yet and I'm not optimistic it would be available on a wide enough scale to equip every kid in youth hockey for the start of the season. The full face shield has an opening on the bottom specifically for breathing so that's not going to be accepted as suitable PPE.

Not sure where you see "solutions" in all of this? What evidence do you see that state or local government is going to let you obey some rules and modify others? They want compliance and teams and rink owners don't want the liability of letting people skirt the rules just to have games.

Everyone is also ignoring the elephant in the room of what happens when a couple of kids test positive which most certainly will occur. Full team quarantines? Rink closures for disinfecting? Going to be hard to have a season with any consistency if these things happen.

Don't get me wrong. I want my son to play this season but to think we're going to take these new rules and soldier on with almost no hiccups is wishful thinking, IMO.

Guess I'm just a pessimist.

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1) Will the Bauer splashguard meet the state requirement for a face covering?

2) Will it actually do anything to prevent the spread of COVID? ( Not that most people on this board care about this latter question)

3) When will it be available, if at all?

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Just put all the elite kids in a bubble. We must protect the future of the nhl. 💤💤💤

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Anon
1) Will the Bauer splashguard meet the state requirement for a face covering?

2) Will it actually do anything to prevent the spread of COVID? ( Not that most people on this board care about this latter question)

3) When will it be available, if at all?
1. That needs to be determined.

2. That needs to be determined.

3. They said August in June.

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1) Will the Bauer splashguard meet the state requirement for a face covering?

2) Will it actually do anything to prevent the spread of COVID? ( Not that most people on this board care about this latter question)

3) When will it be available, if at all?
1. That needs to be determined.

2. That needs to be determined.

3. They said August in June.
It's the middle of August and if you go on the Bauer website they aren't even promoting it yet. Nothing since the initial announcement in June.

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Anon
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1) Will the Bauer splashguard meet the state requirement for a face covering?

2) Will it actually do anything to prevent the spread of COVID? ( Not that most people on this board care about this latter question)

3) When will it be available, if at all?
1. That needs to be determined.

2. That needs to be determined.

3. They said August in June.
It's the middle of August and if you go on the Bauer website they aren't even promoting it yet. Nothing since the initial announcement in June.
And that means....what, definitively?

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1) Will the Bauer splashguard meet the state requirement for a face covering?

2) Will it actually do anything to prevent the spread of COVID? ( Not that most people on this board care about this latter question)

3) When will it be available, if at all?
1. That needs to be determined.

2. That needs to be determined.

3. They said August in June.
It\'s the middle of August and if you go on the Bauer website they aren\'t even promoting it yet. Nothing since the initial announcement in June.
And that means....what, definitively?
What it means most likely is that it’s not ready yet. Maybe there are issues with the shield fogging up too easily or it’s hard to breathe through? I just think if this thing was a guaranteed God-send they would be promoting it with a release date at the top of their website.

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1) Will the Bauer splashguard meet the state requirement for a face covering?

2) Will it actually do anything to prevent the spread of COVID? ( Not that most people on this board care about this latter question)

3) When will it be available, if at all?
1. That needs to be determined.

2. That needs to be determined.

3. They said August in June.
It\\\'s the middle of August and if you go on the Bauer website they aren\\\'t even promoting it yet. Nothing since the initial announcement in June.
And that means....what, definitively?
What it means most likely is that it’s not ready yet. Maybe there are issues with the shield fogging up too easily or it’s hard to breathe through? I just think if this thing was a guaranteed God-send they would be promoting it with a release date at the top of their website.
And you know this....how?

I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm also not saying you're right. I'm saying you're totally guessing and have nothing factual to back your opinion up.

And you know what they say about opinions.

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1) Will the Bauer splashguard meet the state requirement for a face covering?

2) Will it actually do anything to prevent the spread of COVID? ( Not that most people on this board care about this latter question)

3) When will it be available, if at all?
1. That needs to be determined.

2. That needs to be determined.

3. They said August in June.
It\\\\\\\'s the middle of August and if you go on the Bauer website they aren\\\\\\\'t even promoting it yet. Nothing since the initial announcement in June.
And that means....what, definitively?
What it means most likely is that it’s not ready yet. Maybe there are issues with the shield fogging up too easily or it’s hard to breathe through? I just think if this thing was a guaranteed God-send they would be promoting it with a release date at the top of their website.
And you know this....how?

I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm also not saying you're right. I'm saying you're totally guessing and have nothing factual to back your opinion up.

And you know what they say about opinions.
Uh, I went on their website and there’s no mention of the splash guard. That’s not my opinion it’s a fact. I have no idea when it’s coming out or how well it will work but I didn’t claim to.

Not sure why you’re upset?

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Anon
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1) Will the Bauer splashguard meet the state requirement for a face covering?

2) Will it actually do anything to prevent the spread of COVID? ( Not that most people on this board care about this latter question)

3) When will it be available, if at all?
1. That needs to be determined.

2. That needs to be determined.

3. They said August in June.
It\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'s the middle of August and if you go on the Bauer website they aren\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'t even promoting it yet. Nothing since the initial announcement in June.
And that means....what, definitively?
What it means most likely is that it’s not ready yet. Maybe there are issues with the shield fogging up too easily or it’s hard to breathe through? I just think if this thing was a guaranteed God-send they would be promoting it with a release date at the top of their website.
And you know this....how?

I\'m not saying you\'re wrong. I\'m also not saying you\'re right. I\'m saying you\'re totally guessing and have nothing factual to back your opinion up.

And you know what they say about opinions.
Uh, I went on their website and there’s no mention of the splash guard. That’s not my opinion it’s a fact. I have no idea when it’s coming out or how well it will work but I didn’t claim to.

Not sure why you’re upset?
Not upset in the least. You seem to be someone that likes to jump to conclusions based on limited facts. Again.

What I am saying is you’re full of ****. You assume that because of A and B it must be C. It could be D.

Example: The company I work for is the world leader in COVID test kits. We didn’t announce we had millions ready to go until we got the EUA, which created the demand. Why? We had nothing to gain. We knew that as soon as the EUA was issued by the FDA every kit would be sold. So, why jump the gun? There was no competitive advantage to be gained.

I’m not saying that is what is driving Bauer’s thinking. I’m simply saying the fact there’s nothing on their website could be a false negative.