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Re: Refs

Anon.
We do know the ref working conditions in MA. MA has released the “Reopening Standards for
Businesses and Other Entities Providing Youth and Adult Amateur Sports Activities” effective on August 17, 2020.

Yes! MA & NH playing requirements are totally different. MA requires & NH does not require all “hockey players participating in face-offs must wear facial coverings. Participants for all sports must wear facial coverings on the bench at all times and in any huddles or time-outs.”

MA requires & NH does not require all “referees … to wear facial coverings and maintain social distancing of 6 feet from players, coaches, spectators, and other persons at all times.”

MA also requires contact tracing for ALL MA rinks & NH does not. So if ANYONE in a MA rink has or comes down with the virus ALL individuals, including the refs will need to quarantine for 2 weeks. Also everyone the refs later come into contact with, including ALL family members, will also need to quarantine for 2 weeks. This means refs, and their entire family, will not be able to work at their regular jobs during this 2-week quarantine.

It’s just not worth it to ref in MA and take the chance of losing 2 weeks of regular pay for the ref and his entire family. Plus there is a $300 per day fine for not quarantining! Maybe losing 2 weeks pay to you means nothing, but it means a lot to the average ref and his family. Get off your high horse and start realizing how the MA draconian regulations and standards are hurting the average person.
Wrong.

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Absolutely correct. Do a little research before you show your total ignorance! The below link was sent out by Mass Hockey in one of its recent emails.

https://www.mass.gov/doc/safety-standards-for-youth-and-adult-amateur-sports-activities-phase-iii-step-1/download

Re: Refs

Annon.
Absolutely correct. Do a little research before you show your total ignorance! The below link was sent out by Mass Hockey in one of its recent emails.

https://www.mass.gov/doc/safety-standards-for-youth-and-adult-amateur-sports-activities-phase-iii-step-1/download
I read it, dips#it. And, I'm smart enough to know that you can't read "regulations" and think for a second you know what it actually says. Anybody that thinks they can make sense out of all that lawyering is a fool.

Here is the sum total of what it says about referees. If you don't believe me, use the search function.

"Coaches, staff, referees, umpires, and other officials are required to wear facial coverings and maintain
social distancing of 6 feet from players, coaches, spectators, and other persons at all times."

Go watch the YouTube. They said, it isn't up to the refs to enforce social distancing, it's up to the coaches. So when it says refs are required to maintain social distancing, they mean for themselves, not the players. Meaning, they no longer have to get in the middle of player scrums. They just get to stand 6 feet away and blow the whistle. Their jobs just got a WHOLE lot easier.

NOWHERE does it say that if there's a positive case, everybody in the facility, including the refs, have to quarantine for 14 days. Form the way it was described, only the person testing positive has to stay away until they can produce a negative result. Candidly, I'm jot 100% sure how that will work, because it isn't described anywhere in any level of detail.

Yes, refs have to wear masks. The state is working on obtaining electronic whistles which they will sell at cost.

And the only additional call they have to make is a 2 minute minor for checking. Body contact is allowed, though. Think PeeWee and below hockey and girls/womens hockey.

There will be quicker whistles and more face-offs. Flow of the game needs to me worked on still. They may need too shorten the games to fit in the time slot.

But, reffing isn't all of a sudden this arduous, high risk activity.

Now go crawl back into your bunker.

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Never said the refs need to enforce social distancing. I said referees need to wear facial coverings and maintain social distancing of 6 feet from players, coaches, spectators and other persons at all times. You obviously failed Reading Comprehension in H.S. Among many other matters, how can there be face-offs if the refs need to stay 6 feet away from players at all times?

See Part C. STAFFING AND OPERATIONS of Reopening Standards: “Operators should log all persons (name and phone number or name and email address) who come in contact with facility to facilitate contact tracing, including staff, participants, and spectators.” Do I now need to explain to you the significance of “Contact Tracing”?

Never said reffing is an arduous, high risk activity. Until they get rid of all these draconian regulations and standards, it’s just not worth the aggravation and potential legal & financial risks to ref games in MA.

Re: Refs

Anon.
Never said the refs need to enforce social distancing. I said referees need to wear facial coverings and maintain social distancing of 6 feet from players, coaches, spectators and other persons at all times. You obviously failed Reading Comprehension in H.S. Among many other matters, how can there be face-offs if the refs need to stay 6 feet away from players at all times?

See Part C. STAFFING AND OPERATIONS of Reopening Standards: “Operators should log all persons (name and phone number or name and email address) who come in contact with facility to facilitate contact tracing, including staff, participants, and spectators.” Do I now need to explain to you the significance of “Contact Tracing”?

Never said reffing is an arduous, high risk activity. Until they get rid of all these draconian regulations and standards, it’s just not worth the aggravation and potential legal & financial risks to ref games in MA.
Good. Stay out. I’m sure you’re a lousy ref.

For all you or I know they will put the puck on the dot and blow the whistle.

Contact tracing doesn’t mean mandatory quarantine. It’s to let you know you’ve been exposed.

But, you keep thinking you know all the answers. Typical referee.

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You’re obviously a club program owner that can’t handle the prospect of losing all that easy money because you can’t provide actual games for your teams. Don’t blame the refs. Blame King Charlie.

BTW, per King Charlie’s orders, if a person has been “exposed to Covid-19” they are required to quarantine for 14 days or be subject to a $300 per day fine. That’s why the State requires contact tracing.

Typical owner. You can’t handle the truth. All you care about is the money.

Re: Refs

Anon
Anon.
Never said the refs need to enforce social distancing. I said referees need to wear facial coverings and maintain social distancing of 6 feet from players, coaches, spectators and other persons at all times. You obviously failed Reading Comprehension in H.S. Among many other matters, how can there be face-offs if the refs need to stay 6 feet away from players at all times?

See Part C. STAFFING AND OPERATIONS of Reopening Standards: “Operators should log all persons (name and phone number or name and email address) who come in contact with facility to facilitate contact tracing, including staff, participants, and spectators.” Do I now need to explain to you the significance of “Contact Tracing”?

Never said reffing is an arduous, high risk activity. Until they get rid of all these draconian regulations and standards, it’s just not worth the aggravation and potential legal & financial risks to ref games in MA.
Good. Stay out. I’m sure you’re a lousy ref.

For all you or I know they will put the puck on the dot and blow the whistle.

Contact tracing doesn’t mean mandatory quarantine. It’s to let you know you’ve been exposed.

But, you keep thinking you know all the answers. Typical referee.
He quotes regulations, you call him a 'bad ref': glad to see the board is in full hardo mode.

You understand the town's health inspector can walk into any rink, at any time and determine they are not following the rules and issue a 'shut down': with fines far exceeding any revenue they could generate.

Re: Refs

Anon
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Anon
Has anyone checked in on the refs to see how excited they are about coming back to work?

I am hearing assigners are getting a lot of push back and the older refs are not going to ref.

Could you blame them? Crazy parents screaming at 7am mite games and now being worried about their health.


Based upon some conversations I\'ve had with fellow officials, I expect MA Hockey to have a tough go of it. I have already told the assignors I work with that if I come back, I\'ll only work NH until I see how things are playing out in our beloved Commonwealth. Coaches and parents are already annoying enough, I can only imagine how much fun it\'ll be this year.
Oh, geez, ANOTHER reason to hate the ******* refs.

Grow a pair, would ya please? You're worse than Tall Duval!
First, it's not my job. I have a full time job that I make far more per day than I do pulling six games on a weekend. I ref because I enjoy the game, it helps keep in in shape, and it gets me away from the wife for a few hours. I live on the border, so rinks in NH & MA are nearly equal distance, giving me a choice.

I listened to the chat last evening and I don't have to play the social distance cop, the coach is going to be responsible until they aren't. Kids aren't supposed to remove their helmets while sitting on the bench & coaches are supposed to monitor that yet at least 15 times a year I've got to yell at some squirt sitting on the bench to put his helmet back on. It would probably be more but I only work 25 or so squirt games a year. I'm 100% sure by week three, ref's will be adding social distancing and mask police to their job descriptions. Oh, and since I don't recall this being covered last night, what are the rules regarding the sneeze guards that companies are starting to come out with? Am I supposed to determine if that is an acceptable covering? I can live with no checking, not hard to adjust but am I sounding the whistle when a kids gaiter/mask falls below his nose? I'm supposed to be quick with the whistle on a puck battle, what is quick for Midgets, is it the same for Pee Wee, etc.?

Lastly, the guidelines as written will require everyone to check in so MA can trace. That means if parent tests positive a few days after watching their kid play, everyone, including coaches, will have to quarantine for two weeks. This is the guideline that will keep me from working games in MA at the beginning of the season. I expect this is also the first guideline that rinks will ignore. Much like when youth baseball returned, I saw health inspectors stopping by fields on a regular basis every weekend, I would expect they'll do the same at the rinks so I don't think those guidelines will be ignored for long.

So my choices are A) to work a games in NH that are roughly the same travel time from my house as the MA rinks I work, do it without a mask which I hate wearing, and without having to alter how I've called games for a decade. B) Work games in MA with altered rules, end up playing mask cop, and be subject to a two week quarantine when Karen, who didn't come within 100' of me, tests positive. Since I get paid the same regardless of choice, I'll take NH to start the season.

Now if that means I don't have a pair, that's fine with me. I'm sure your used to your opinion being ignored when you ***** while shaking the fries at your job.

Re: Refs

Anon
Has anyone checked in on the refs to see how excited they are about coming back to work?

I am hearing assigners are getting a lot of push back and the older refs are not going to ref.

Could you blame them? Crazy parents screaming at 7am mite games and now being worried about their health.


with what happened with that NH coach going mike tyson on the ref, who on this board absolutely hates, who can blame the refs for not coming back? you think covid is cancelling games? how about no refs? 4k tuition for skills, off-ice training for the whole season.