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Re: Tournament vs. Games

Anon
And just so we are clear there is absolutely no additional cleaning protocols in place. The bathrooms and locker rooms are still disgusting.
Rinks are one of the dirtiest places on earth. Did we really think a lot of these rink employees would turn into Mr. Clean now.

Re: Tournament vs. Games

Anon
It's like the bars serving pizza and chips and trying to say that is serving food, but worse. The difference is tournaments bring more people, more people hanging out waiting for their next game, hanging out by the leader board, hotels, multiple teams and age groups all hanging out, more tailgating, etc. Having a tournament at this juncture is inconsiderate of all other rinks and youth hockey players across the state.

On September 5th every rink across the state will have a game running from 7am until 9pm for the next 7 months. There will be folks coming from CT, NH, VT, ME, and at some point RI. Nevermind all the town teams and the Friday night games. How this any different than having a "tournament". More people at rinks during the regular season than any tournament.

Re: Tournament vs. Games

Anon
It\\\'s like the bars serving pizza and chips and trying to say that is serving food, but worse. The difference is tournaments bring more people, more people hanging out waiting for their next game, hanging out by the leader board, hotels, multiple teams and age groups all hanging out, more tailgating, etc. Having a tournament at this juncture is inconsiderate of all other rinks and youth hockey players across the state.

Okay but if bars have been doing this for some time, and it's supposedly a problem, why are cases and positive rates continuing to go down? Baseball has had tournaments all summer. Have they been shut down? Are they contributing to rising cases? So, is it overall health that these people are truly concerned about, or imposing police state rules on people?

Let the kids play hockey and let's hope the governor is less concerned about meaningless hockey tournaments and more concerned about fixing the worst unemployment rate in the country.

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The rules make no sense but we have to follow them in order to have hockey. The State's goal in eliminating tournaments should be to not have kids/parents hanging around the rink waiting for there next game, staying in hotels,and minimize people traveling to MA from out of State

Looks like that is not how the rule was written. Same with masks on the bench when the kid your sitting next to was with you in practice all week with no mask on.

But we need to all follow it. I for one will not be turning in any rinks for not following but there are people that will.

I just want to see this season start and finish.

Re: Tournament vs. Games

Brainteaser
If 6+ teams are invited to pack into a rink on the same weekend and there is a bracket and a champion at the end, it is a tournament and not allowed because of health risks related to Covid. But if you invite 6+ teams to pack into a rink on the same weekend and you remove the bracket/champion format (or disguise it) everyone stays safe and nobody can get sick.
It’s just games - no playoffs so not a tournament. baseball has been doing the same thing at the New England Baseball complex in Northborough for months!!

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You need to read the reopening standards before commenting on something. Playoffs are not required for it to be considered a tournament under King Charlie’s proclamation.

Per Mass. “Reopening Standards”:

“For the avoidance of doubt, a series of games is still a tournament even if there is a lack of an overall prize, scores, eliminations, brackets, or otherwise.”

Rink owners risk being closed down if some Nancy reports them for holding an illegal tournament.

Re: Tournament vs. Games

Anon.
You need to read the reopening standards before commenting on something. Playoffs are not required for it to be considered a tournament under King Charlie’s proclamation.

Per Mass. “Reopening Standards”:

“For the avoidance of doubt, a series of games is still a tournament even if there is a lack of an overall prize, scores, eliminations, brackets, or otherwise.”

Rink owners risk being closed down if some Nancy reports them for holding an illegal tournament.
Sounds like parities ain't happenin'

Re: Tournament vs. Games

ANON
Anon.
You need to read the reopening standards before commenting on something. Playoffs are not required for it to be considered a tournament under King Charlie’s proclamation.

Per Mass. “Reopening Standards”:

“For the avoidance of doubt, a series of games is still a tournament even if there is a lack of an overall prize, scores, eliminations, brackets, or otherwise.”

Rink owners risk being closed down if some Nancy reports them for holding an illegal tournament.
Sounds like parities ain't happenin'
There is no way BHL/E9 can be held in Mass.

Re: Tournament vs. Games

Anon.
You need to read the reopening standards before commenting on something. Playoffs are not required for it to be considered a tournament under King Charlie’s proclamation.

Per Mass. “Reopening Standards”:

“For the avoidance of doubt, a series of games is still a tournament even if there is a lack of an overall prize, scores, eliminations, brackets, or otherwise.”

Rink owners risk being closed down if some Nancy reports them for holding an illegal tournament.
Again baseball has been doing this for months at New England Sports Complex in Northborough - stop being such a whiny baby. Play hockey.

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Baseball was free to open early (Phase II), hockey wasn't. I don't agree with the inconsistency of the rules or the need for some of them, but it is what it is. Sticking it in the governor's the first week back isn't a good idea - one case from a tourney and we're all going to pay the price. And the difference between game and tourney for hockey is kids are in, play their game, they go home. For a tourney, they play game and then hang around for 4-5 hours with their buddies before playing their second game. I agree there is no difference between baseball and hockey tourney, except for that baseball is almost entirely outdoors and most of the their parents are not like Hockey Hardos who are obsessed with whether or not their 9-10 year is a lock for Prep and D1.

Re: Tournament vs. Games

Anon
Baseball was free to open early (Phase II), hockey wasn't. I don't agree with the inconsistency of the rules or the need for some of them, but it is what it is. Sticking it in the governor's the first week back isn't a good idea - one case from a tourney and we're all going to pay the price. And the difference between game and tourney for hockey is kids are in, play their game, they go home. For a tourney, they play game and then hang around for 4-5 hours with their buddies before playing their second game. I agree there is no difference between baseball and hockey tourney, except for that baseball is almost entirely outdoors and most of the their parents are not like Hockey Hardos who are obsessed with whether or not their 9-10 year is a lock for Prep and D1.
Actually other sports parents are way, way bigger hardos as there is a lot more opportunity for their kids to play their sport of choice in college than hockey. Soccer and baseball parents are absolutely insane. Real insanity there and unlike at a rink, they have immediate access to get right up in an ump or refs face.

Re: Tournament vs. Games

Anon
Baseball was free to open early (Phase II), hockey wasn't. I don't agree with the inconsistency of the rules or the need for some of them, but it is what it is. Sticking it in the governor's the first week back isn't a good idea - one case from a tourney and we're all going to pay the price. And the difference between game and tourney for hockey is kids are in, play their game, they go home. For a tourney, they play game and then hang around for 4-5 hours with their buddies before playing their second game. I agree there is no difference between baseball and hockey tourney, except for that baseball is almost entirely outdoors and most of the their parents are not like Hockey Hardos who are obsessed with whether or not their 9-10 year is a lock for Prep and D1.
Do you know for a fact that teams will have more than one game per day? Link?

Do you know that teams will "hang around for 4-5 hours with their buddies?" They won't be able to inside, so why does it matter?

Or, are you guessing?

Guess we'll just have to wait and see.

Re: Tournament vs. Games

Just keep in mind that:

1. The rules make no sense
2. Rinks trying to get around the rules will be fined and or forced to closed down - Seeing this with restaurants in MA now.
3. The State and local boards of health will be making surprise visits to rinks
4. Karen's will be taking video and providing it to both the State and your local news stations.


This season will be different but the goal is to have one.

It sucks on so many levels. A lot of it makes no sense. But what are our choices. If your org or rink wants to skirt the rules and there is an outbreak than it could leave them with liability. You can sign away your right to sue but not if rink operator is negligent.

Re: Tournament vs. Games

Anon
Just keep in mind that:

1. The rules make no sense
2. Rinks trying to get around the rules will be fined and or forced to closed down - Seeing this with restaurants in MA now.
3. The State and local boards of health will be making surprise visits to rinks
4. Karen's will be taking video and providing it to both the State and your local news stations.


This season will be different but the goal is to have one.

It sucks on so many levels. A lot of it makes no sense. But what are our choices. If your org or rink wants to skirt the rules and there is an outbreak than it could leave them with liability. You can sign away your right to sue but not if rink operator is negligent.
Oh no I got a cold and headache now I’m going to sue you... what a bunch of babies. Our schedule came out already for this weekend, have fun at home watching Teenage Bounty Hunters on Netflix you loser.

Re: Tournament vs. Games

There are no scheduled games anywhere in MA this weekend. So in what state are you playing in?

Re: Tournament vs. Games

Anon.
There are no scheduled games anywhere in MA this weekend. So in what state are you playing in?
State of denial.

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That's it...I'm calling the Saugus and Haverhill board of health departments. Viva la NH!!!

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i have my schedules for MA games this weekend, do you? sorry yours got cut.

Re: Tournament vs. Games

anon
i have my schedules for MA games this weekend, do you? sorry yours got cut.
Sorry you wasted all that money on remedial English.

Re: Tournament vs. Games

Anon.
There are no scheduled games anywhere in MA this weekend. So in what state are you playing in?
Titletown tournament by Militia is this weekend in MA. So yes, there are games scheduled.

Re: Tournament vs. Games

Anon
Anon.
There are no scheduled games anywhere in MA this weekend. So in what state are you playing in?
Titletown tournament by Militia is this weekend in MA. So yes, there are games scheduled.
Titletown Games —- not tournament.

Re: Tournament vs. Games

Anon.
There are no scheduled games anywhere in MA this weekend. So in what state are you playing in?
Titletown at Thayer and Canton Ice house.... Big tournament this weekend! Forgot we only play league games (showcase) but we will crown the winner. Such BS, owners just want to grab the money because they running out of it.
Have fun this weekend and after we get shut down again...Have we not learned from the past tournaments, league plays these past weekends!