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Yes it is a business - difference is that insurance agents haven’t set up a cartel to ensure profitability. We have warring leagues (E9 and EHF) and outsized influence by a few owners that hurt the competitive balance of the leagues. BS rules about not playing other teams in other leagues because it could hurt the brand. Suck if hockey “coaches” coming on the site and blaming parents for all of the Mass youth hockey problems. My kid has played EHF “elite” (AAA) since mites (he’s a bantam) and the number of coach/asst coach kids making teams not based on merit is embarrassing. Throw in the buddy system with friends of the coach and you have a sad mix of favoritism and bad hockey. Sorry - I pay the freight and have a right to tell the owners that their product sucks - just like any other service rendered.
Yes it is a business - difference is that insurance agents haven’t set up a cartel to ensure profitability. We have warring leagues (E9 and EHF) and outsized influence by a few owners that hurt the competitive balance of the leagues. BS rules about not playing other teams in other leagues because it could hurt the brand. Sick of hockey “coaches” coming on the site and blaming parents for all of the Mass youth hockey problems. My kid has played EHF “elite” (AAA) since mites (he’s a bantam) and the number of coach/asst coach kids making teams not based on merit is embarrassing. Throw in the buddy system with friends of the coach and you have a sad mix of favoritism and bad hockey. Sorry - I pay the freight and have a right to tell the owners that their product sucks - just like any other service rendered.
My kid's first season in club was with one of the worst daddy coaches ever and the stuff he pulled was unbelievable. Since then he has not played for anyone even close to that bad, not even the same planet. You have to cut parents who have experienced this some slack, it skews their view on things.
Coaches should be hired because of their *coaching* track record and history. Who cares if they have a kid on the team if they have proven they can do it well? Sure most can't but don't make it 100%.
And forget the ex-player stuff...they're not playing anymore. Very different. Just because they were good at playing somewhere we shouldn't assume they can properly teach children. Some can, most can't.
Agree that ex players do not necessarily translate to good coaching skills.
Agree that the daddy coach problem is overblown, where do plan to get all these coaches from otherwise. Sometimes daddy coaches are good, they get kids, the can explain without getting frustrated. Sometimes ex higher end players are good coaches sometimes they are bad. Every coach has favorites, and on every team someone thinks there kid is being shorted. What I suggest to these parents complaining is that they get out and put some time in coaching, maybe you would then shut up. Older kids maybe non daddy coach is better, but it is coach by coach not an overall dad coach sucks.
I think this "delusional parent" thing can be pared down to first-time hockey parents and what they don't know. I remember when my oldest got started with ice hockey (4 years old) I knew nothing about youth sports at all, and I naively thought that with the right coaching and enough training that my kid could "do anything" someday. As a (good?) parent, you want your kid to be the best that they can be at what they like doing, so I started learning as much as I could about as many options as I could in the hopes that I could give him the best chance possible at reaching his potential. Like, who does "the best" skills? What's the difference between Greg Carter and Laura Stamm? How do clubs seem to develop players so much better than town does? What is the ADM and why do they think cross-ice is better for kids? Etc. Etc. And the more I learned, the more educated consumer I became, and the better decisions I made, but two big things changed my perception and rid me of the "delusion" that my kid could be among the best with the right training and coaching: first, I got to see what the truly top kids in his age group were doing. Something folks take for granted is that if your kid isn't gifted, you actually never see the gifted kids, so you have nothing to compare your bender to other than his/her peers. So when he or she is the star of the team, you start thinking they're actually good, when you have no idea where they are in the bigger picture. Getting to see what real "elite" players looked like was a dose of reality that I hadn't had up until that moment and I realized that if he was ever going to "catch up" to them, it was going to be 80% Mother Nature's doing and I was wasting time and money trying to rush the process. Some kids just develop earlier than others, and that's what the second big realization was. My second kid got into hockey four years later in life (8 years old) and made more progress in that first year than my first kid made in four years. Second kid was two years younger than the first, but was just as tall, just as fast, and arguably stronger physically. Because of that earlier physical development, everything was different. Second kid got called up to play on other teams all the time, first kid never did. And the story goes on.
Anyway, I give many "delusional" parents a break because most of them just don't have perspective yet. When they do, they hopefully learn and keep quiet and just enjoy the journey.
I hate to awaken the brains of the Daddy Coach antagonists out there...without volunteer coaches, organizers, coordinators at every level, of every sport and activity, there would only be paid personal. Then all hell would break loose. If you have ever managed, coached, volunteered for anything, you would get it!
The issue is not volunteers. The issue is 3 daddy coaches on one team that out their kids before all others and bring the entire team down. Just saying.
My kid has played for “daddy” coaches that were great, but some that ruined the team and caused every player with any measurable level of talent to leave.
Hockey is a game for kids, they won't make a living out of it, nobody is going to the NHL.
Hockey is a business for those that want to make money, and around MA, there is tons of money to be made.
When little johnny bender is graduating high school, what will have occurred...
Mommy/Daddy are out $70-100k
Little Johnny might go to college (another $200-300k), the army, work in McDonalds, drive a zamboni...the fact that he played "Elite" anything, won't change anything in his life... Hopefully, along the way, little Johnny learned how to be a good person, help others, and not be a ass-hat of a coach later on in life...
This post should read delusional adults ruin youth sports.
From the orgs down to little johnnys daddy coach.
The all fk it up for the kids.
This is gotta be ,by far the worst tryout season, 08 level is a complete waste of time. No talent left in the water down EHF, people believing every story told to them by the e9 coaches.
More rich daddy coaches buying teams because there little benders are getting cut.. parents telling owners of an organization what to do like MassConn, who completely got played and let me remind everyone another daddy coach ruined the season to the ground..I’m actually seeing lots of Tier 2-3
kids making elite( good for them ) but is there even elite haha 😆.. it’s a complete mess out there.. no wonder my kid is a stud and plays up lol 😆
Ha I’m a clown.. go to college.. sorry I graduated from Harvard.. no one cares about elite hockey or little Johnny hockey goals scored ..sorry my lights were low when commenting cause I don’t spend all day sitting on the couch reading the dboards and pretending I know what’s really going on in the youth hockey world !
Thanks loser for responding, obviously what I wrote intrigued you enough to comment. Sorry was that college enough for you ..
This year has been exceptionally awful for tryouts. No one is happy and everything is watered down. Organizations creating new teams to bring in money and destroying club hockey. If I could reset the clock my boys would play town, even though our town has no hockey program. I hope the kids come out the other side of this with a little skill and a love for the game. The rest doesn't matter.
The amazing part is all the “Experts” on these threads with great insight on all the problems with club hockey...yet virtually none of this group of Rocket Surgeons has a viable solution that doesn’t include throwing bags of money at the problem. If all you need to do yell at the sky then the Dboard the place for you, every moron is encourage to pull the pin and drop a hand grenade.
Same people who finally wake-up in Town Hockey once they realize the local hockey mafia of dads rig the tryouts and jam their buddies onto the board so there is no one to complain to when the 3-4 best kids only make the 'B Team' because their parents don't know how the game is played.
And these 'delusional parents' who manage the Town Hockey mafia think their kid will be good enough to get ice time on the varsity team at the local high school.
This is why mass hockey will never reach its full potential. Parents have taken over and ruined a good sport.
what happened at MassConn? I saw some of that 08 tryout and there was very little talent. Dad try to buy that team too?