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Re: Teams from same program in same division

Three terrier teams UG also..and three PHC teams in Platinum.

Re: Teams from same program in same division

Bluey
Three terrier teams UG also..and three PHC teams in Platinum.
The Phc teams play out of different rinks, just like the IHC east and west and the Terriers white/red. They are not considered the same organization.

Re: Teams from same program in same division

this theory will be tested as both New England Bulldogs qualified for upper gold in the 08 age group

Re: Teams from same program in same division

Two Bandits teams qualified in 09s as well

Re: Teams from same program in same division

Two Boch teams at 09. One was auto bid after platinum parity.

Re: Teams from same program in same division

It's always been the same...org can't have 2 teams in Black/Platinum. But once you drop to lower divisions...org can have multiple teams in same division if they qualify.

Now, orgs like islanders and jr. terriers always have multiple teams in Blsck/Platinum because they use multiple rinks as their homes. For example Islanders East & West, Terriers Red & White. Now the Flames, despite having 8 rinks, can only have 1 team in upper "tier 1", because it's a single building.

Re: Teams from same program in same division

seems like a rule loop hole no? what's the general perception of the orgs that run out of two rinks?

Re: Teams from same program in same division

Did some one mention rule book? There is no such thing in the EHF. If there was a rule book there would be no discussion.

Re: Teams from same program in same division

Why is it a problem or against a rule if an organization has 2 teams in the same division?

Re: Teams from same program in same division

anon
Why is it a problem or against a rule if an organization has 2 teams in the same division?
Slightly different take on the question: a set of problems exists for the players on the upper and lower teams in the same program. From a parent of two players who've been in this situation on both sides of it.

One way of looking at it is that the upper team should have played in a higher division. The season may be great from a W-L perspective but how much do those players learn from going 13-2 for the half or 26-4 for the whole season? Ideally, you want a season with an equal number of wins and losses. Conversely, if the upper team is fairly placed and goes 0.500 W-L in the division, then the lower team will almost certainly be overmatched and lose the majority of their games. Nobody's learning anything going 3-25 for the season so the lower team gets screwed by playing well over their heads and getting pummeled every week.

Also, with two teams from the same club in the division, you may face each other in games during the season. Assuming that the club has fairly placed the players on the upper and lower teams, the outcomes of those games is predetermined: the upper team will sweep and the lower team will lose every game. The lower team may take it more seriously because they feel they have something to prove, but if the upper team is legitimately better they will still lose. It might be a good learning opportunity for the lower team, but the upper team isn't as fortunate, IMO. You have to look for ways to make those games useful, such as putting the upper players into unfamiliar positions and helping them develop into more well-rounded players.

IMO, with two teams in the same division, one group of those players is going to get the short end of the stick.

Re: Teams from same program in same division

Anon
Two Bandits teams qualified in 09s as well
The Bandits and Blazers 09 debate is why the divisions have not been released yet. They are discussing if this is an actual rule in the bylaws or if it has just been a loose policy.

Re: Teams from same program in same division

anon
this theory will be tested as both New England Bulldogs qualified for upper gold in the 08 age group
The league has been very clear with program directors about the rules. The problem is all of the experts on this board are looking for some fictional online rule book. The people who tend to complain simply do not have the same information as the people who read the comments and laugh at them.

Two teams from the same organization who do not have the separate program designation (PHC North/South, IHC East/West or Terriers Red/White) cannot place two teams in platinum. The decision to send multiple teams (i.e. Bulldogs @08 level) is probably just a way to increase their odds of a team landing in the division. The league has also been clear that if a program had a team in platinum the prior season who does not qualify then they can have two teams in UG (see Bulldogs 08).

The bigger problem is the league needs to create some boundaries for who can attend parity specifically platinum. The idea of bottom UG or LG teams attending platinum is throwing off the competitive balance.

Re: Teams from same program in same division

Anon
anon
this theory will be tested as both New England Bulldogs qualified for upper gold in the 08 age group
The league has been very clear with program directors about the rules. The problem is all of the experts on this board are looking for some fictional online rule book. The people who tend to complain simply do not have the same information as the people who read the comments and laugh at them.

Two teams from the same organization who do not have the separate program designation (PHC North/South, IHC East/West or Terriers Red/White) cannot place two teams in platinum. The decision to send multiple teams (i.e. Bulldogs @08 level) is probably just a way to increase their odds of a team landing in the division. The league has also been clear that if a program had a team in platinum the prior season who does not qualify then they can have two teams in UG (see Bulldogs 08).

The bigger problem is the league needs to create some boundaries for who can attend parity specifically platinum. The idea of bottom UG or LG teams attending platinum is throwing off the competitive balance.
An actual post with accurate information, thank you.

The 09 Boch teams and the 08 Bulldogs will qualify under this policy. If you go for Platinum and do not get in then you can have 2 teams in UG.

The Bandits will be pushed out and the IHC will end up with the UG spot.

It has been this way for many years.

Re: Teams from same program in same division

Decisions have been made and once again kids that worked hard will find out it was all for nothing. Organizations putting out clear expectations could lower the collective stress and avoid all the drama but for some reason (money?) they never do.

For those that got hosed. Just work harder and don't get caught up in the back office bullcrap.

Re: Teams from same program in same division

Now what is the holdup? It is Wednesday night and nothing still.

Re: Teams from same program in same division

Anon
Now what is the holdup? It is Wednesday night and nothing still.
Don't hold your breath. Rumor going around about June 29.