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Re: Officials needed

ok Bryan

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At this point yes, shut up or become a ref

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Typical comment from a never-played, never even been on the ice daddy who leans over the rails or on the glass. Go try it for one 10 minute session in your kid's next practice and see how well you manage. Chump.

Be grateful you have any refs at all. Lots of cancelled games out there where parents would have been happy to just get any dummy at all with a zebra shirt on the ice so their kids can play.

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Anon
What I’m seeing with one officials is tough to watch. I get that mite and squirt games can be done by one ref and things away from the puck will be missed from time to time. But it is not acceptable to miss icings, miss off sides or get face off locations wrong. These 3 things are not difficult to get right and they also play a big part in games. Using the excuse of “I’m only 1 person with 1 set of eyes” after not calling two icings that lead to goals is embarrassing.
It is what it is. Help out or shut up. The only time it should be an issue is if the ref can't control the game and it gets out of hand. Other than that your kid is not going to miss out on a scholarship because of a missed offsides.

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Anon
Anon
What I’m seeing with one officials is tough to watch. I get that mite and squirt games can be done by one ref and things away from the puck will be missed from time to time. But it is not acceptable to miss icings, miss off sides or get face off locations wrong. These 3 things are not difficult to get right and they also play a big part in games. Using the excuse of “I’m only 1 person with 1 set of eyes” after not calling two icings that lead to goals is embarrassing.
It is what it is. Help out or shut up. The only time it should be an issue is if the ref can't control the game and it gets out of hand. Other than that your kid is not going to miss out on a scholarship because of a missed offsides.
I don’t understand why during all of this finger pointing nobody else is is saying this.

How about this. Have the owners who are making a million dollars a season take a bit of their profits and pay 100 bucks a a game.

There would be bo ref shortage for that fee.

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Rates will go up but the owners aren't going to absorb the cost. What's amusing about this whole thing is that the more Daddy complains and screams at the rink, more refs will leave and ref fees WILL go up and the Dad complaining is the one who's going to pay for it when next years tuition bill becomes due. Keep on screaming off sides from the stands and watch your fees go up.

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Anon
Anon
Anon
What I’m seeing with one officials is tough to watch. I get that mite and squirt games can be done by one ref and things away from the puck will be missed from time to time. But it is not acceptable to miss icings, miss off sides or get face off locations wrong. These 3 things are not difficult to get right and they also play a big part in games. Using the excuse of “I’m only 1 person with 1 set of eyes” after not calling two icings that lead to goals is embarrassing.
It is what it is. Help out or shut up. The only time it should be an issue is if the ref can't control the game and it gets out of hand. Other than that your kid is not going to miss out on a scholarship because of a missed offsides.
I don’t understand why during all of this finger pointing nobody else is is saying this.

How about this. Have the owners who are making a million dollars a season take a bit of their profits and pay 100 bucks a a game.

There would be bo ref shortage for that fee.

"If you pay more, they will come!" Yes & no and too late for this season.

Not all programs are run for profit so it would be difficult for them to come up with thousands of extra dollars to cover those increased costs this year.

Second, all of the Mass officiating seminars are over so if you want to get certified for this season you only have VT & ME left and btw, those seminars are complete next weekend.

Third is the sheer number of games scheduled every weekend, there aren't simply enough bodies available to cover all of the games.

For those that left the game because of issues with schedulers, politics, etc., it might entice them back into the game. For those that left because of parents, coaches and kids, $100 a game isn't likely to get them back. FYI, some leagues & teams have already done this in late minute scrambles and it hasn't had a huge impact.

Fixes are fairly simple but parents will hate them:
Move all Half Season games to weekday evenings, they can practice on weekends
Move 1/2 of U-14 teams home games to Friday evenings
Put a detailed police officer at every rink for every game
Make it a priority to have new officials partnered with experienced officials
Make the programs actually pay for the officials in a timely manner. If they fall behind, they simply don't get officials assigned to games any longer.

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Anon
Anon
Anon
What I’m seeing with one officials is tough to watch. I get that mite and squirt games can be done by one ref and things away from the puck will be missed from time to time. But it is not acceptable to miss icings, miss off sides or get face off locations wrong. These 3 things are not difficult to get right and they also play a big part in games. Using the excuse of “I’m only 1 person with 1 set of eyes” after not calling two icings that lead to goals is embarrassing.
It is what it is. Help out or shut up. The only time it should be an issue is if the ref can\'t control the game and it gets out of hand. Other than that your kid is not going to miss out on a scholarship because of a missed offsides.
I don’t understand why during all of this finger pointing nobody else is is saying this.

How about this. Have the owners who are making a million dollars a season take a bit of their profits and pay 100 bucks a a game.

There would be bo ref shortage for that fee.

Owners of club programs in the northeast are not making $1,000,000 profit per season on tuition. Not even close.

Re: Officials needed

Anon
What I’m seeing with one officials is tough to watch. I get that mite and squirt games can be done by one ref and things away from the puck will be missed from time to time. But it is not acceptable to miss icings, miss off sides or get face off locations wrong. These 3 things are not difficult to get right and they also play a big part in games. Using the excuse of “I’m only 1 person with 1 set of eyes” after not calling two icings that lead to goals is embarrassing.
Your comments are justified if you are truly commenting on off sides, icing, faceoffs location. One qualified ref should be able to handle this but some of the refs getting those mite and squirt games are not qualified and lack real hockey experience. Unfortunetly those refs are needed at this point. The shortage is real and it is a problem that might not go away this season.

Re: Officials needed

Anon
What I’m seeing with one officials is tough to watch. I get that mite and squirt games can be done by one ref and things away from the puck will be missed from time to time. But it is not acceptable to miss icings, miss off sides or get face off locations wrong. These 3 things are not difficult to get right and they also play a big part in games. Using the excuse of “I’m only 1 person with 1 set of eyes” after not calling two icings that lead to goals is embarrassing.
Your comments are justified if you are truly commenting on off sides, icing, faceoffs location. One qualified ref should be able to handle this but some of the refs getting those mite and squirt games are not qualified and lack real hockey experience. Unfortunetly those refs are needed at this point. The shortage is real and it is a problem that might not go away this season.

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I got yelled at by a customer because I made two mistakes on her $335. Those two mistakes were just a result of me transponding numbers. My boss then found out about my errors and talked with me about how to not make mistakes again. I get paid to work, so I need to be able to get critisized when Im working for money. Refs are in the same situation. They make mistakes and that is ok. I just dont think the refs have a boss helping them be better at their job.

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I'm a ref and do keep up with ongoing training sessions but I've yet to find a seminar or program that teaches you how to ref solo. Please pass along any continuing training sessions that address this and I'll be happy to take a look. I've been taught how to ref in a two, three and four man system. I worked four solo games this past weekend and didn't ask to be solo on any of them. Back to the OP, we can use your help, lace em up and lend a hand.

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I can’t ref games. I have 3 kids in sports all fall and winter. I agree that at the very least two refs are needed on full ice. I’m willing to pay more in tuition to get the refs the help they need. Is money the issue? Btw I have never yelled at a ref or even thought about. I shut up, sit by myself during games. It’s just hard to watch an official do a bad job, get confrontational with a coach and literally laugh about it after a game.

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From a Ref
I'm a ref and do keep up with ongoing training sessions but I've yet to find a seminar or program that teaches you how to ref solo. Please pass along any continuing training sessions that address this and I'll be happy to take a look. I've been taught how to ref in a two, three and four man system. I worked four solo games this past weekend and didn't ask to be solo on any of them. Back to the OP, we can use your help, lace em up and lend a hand.
If I were a ref I wouldn't do it alone even if the pay was doubled.

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I actually want to start officiating but cant until he go to a seminar. However, there are no more seminars to attend within a 100 miles of my house. Mass Hockey put a nice spin on the issue, but the bottom line is Mass Hockey is doing nothing to recruit officials.

Just visit the official seminar registration page and take a look at the opportunities for new officials in all other areas of the country. MN - 32 upcoming seminars. NY - 18 MD - 5 even Maine has 8. Massachusetts scheduled seminars for new officials ZERO! Pretty obvious what the issue is.

https://www.usahockey.com/officialseminars

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anon
I actually want to start officiating but cant until he go to a seminar. However, there are no more seminars to attend within a 100 miles of my house. Mass Hockey put a nice spin on the issue, but the bottom line is Mass Hockey is doing nothing to recruit officials.

Just visit the official seminar registration page and take a look at the opportunities for new officials in all other areas of the country. MN - 32 upcoming seminars. NY - 18 MD - 5 even Maine has 8. Massachusetts scheduled seminars for new officials ZERO! Pretty obvious what the issue is.

https://www.usahockey.com/officialseminars
There were seminars in August, September and October (last one 10/16) & I don't believe any were sold out. Yup, MA hockey is too blame for the loss hundreds of officials over the last four years.

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anon
anon
I actually want to start officiating but cant until he go to a seminar. However, there are no more seminars to attend within a 100 miles of my house. Mass Hockey put a nice spin on the issue, but the bottom line is Mass Hockey is doing nothing to recruit officials.

Just visit the official seminar registration page and take a look at the opportunities for new officials in all other areas of the country. MN - 32 upcoming seminars. NY - 18 MD - 5 even Maine has 8. Massachusetts scheduled seminars for new officials ZERO! Pretty obvious what the issue is.

https://www.usahockey.com/officialseminars
There were seminars in August, September and October (last one 10/16) & I don't believe any were sold out. Yup, MA hockey is too blame for the loss hundreds of officials over the last four years.
How many of the social media posts or emails to the membership provided a sharable link to sign up or help promote? If you want us to be part of the solution, share the plan to fix the problem and give us the tools to help! Are parents and coaches that much worse today than when we grew up? From what I can remember, no.... Has society gotten softer, YES! Do all you snowflakes buy into sensationalized narratives that do nothing to unite and only divide, YES! If there is a ref shortage, play fewer games and hold more practices. As a coach, I signed up to coach, not ref because Mass Hockey isn't doing enough to be part of the solution other than point the finger at us and blame us.

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From a Ref
I'm a ref and do keep up with ongoing training sessions but I've yet to find a seminar or program that teaches you how to ref solo. Please pass along any continuing training sessions that address this and I'll be happy to take a look. I've been taught how to ref in a two, three and four man system. I worked four solo games this past weekend and didn't ask to be solo on any of them. Back to the OP, we can use your help, lace em up and lend a hand.
I'd like to see the OP try and call offsides in a one man Pee Wee game, let alone U-14 & above. Even if you stay up a bit in the offensive zone, a quick breakout pass happens and no way you are beating them to the blue line to see a kid a half step over the blueline.

To the one man crew, just do your best with the dangerous stuff and I'm good.

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anon
From a Ref
I\'m a ref and do keep up with ongoing training sessions but I\'ve yet to find a seminar or program that teaches you how to ref solo. Please pass along any continuing training sessions that address this and I\'ll be happy to take a look. I\'ve been taught how to ref in a two, three and four man system. I worked four solo games this past weekend and didn\'t ask to be solo on any of them. Back to the OP, we can use your help, lace em up and lend a hand.
I'd like to see the OP try and call offsides in a one man Pee Wee game, let alone U-14 & above. Even if you stay up a bit in the offensive zone, a quick breakout pass happens and no way you are beating them to the blue line to see a kid a half step over the blueline.

To the one man crew, just do your best with the dangerous stuff and I'm good.
Yup. I have had to do it at the Peewee level but not higher and I wouldn't do it because you can't see all the crap behind the play, and that's when games get out of control.

After the first couple of times I had to go solo, I learned that before the game I needed to approach both benches, with all players, tell them I was by myself, I was going to miss stuff, I would do the best job I could but if it started getting out of control, it would be a steady parade to the box, which just ruins the game for everyone.

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2 officials are needed at full ice games. Too much is missed with one official. Parents should never bark at officials but coaches have a little more at steak. The situation is unfortunate for all so if money is the issue than leagues and orgs need to increase the pay to attract more refs.

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Dont they understand my child plays in the elite level hockey and needs elite referring to ensure he gets a D1 Scholarship.

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anon
From a Ref
I\'m a ref and do keep up with ongoing training sessions but I\'ve yet to find a seminar or program that teaches you how to ref solo. Please pass along any continuing training sessions that address this and I\'ll be happy to take a look. I\'ve been taught how to ref in a two, three and four man system. I worked four solo games this past weekend and didn\'t ask to be solo on any of them. Back to the OP, we can use your help, lace em up and lend a hand.
I'd like to see the OP try and call offsides in a one man Pee Wee game, let alone U-14 & above. Even if you stay up a bit in the offensive zone, a quick breakout pass happens and no way you are beating them to the blue line to see a kid a half step over the blueline.

To the one man crew, just do your best with the dangerous stuff and I'm good.
The OP is talking about squirt and mite, not u14. Read then respond. It will help you understand.

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From a Ref
I'm a ref and do keep up with ongoing training sessions but I've yet to find a seminar or program that teaches you how to ref solo. Please pass along any continuing training sessions that address this and I'll be happy to take a look. I've been taught how to ref in a two, three and four man system. I worked four solo games this past weekend and didn't ask to be solo on any of them. Back to the OP, we can use your help, lace em up and lend a hand.
Aw poor (no pun intended) refs 😂

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what is the pay for a mite or squirt game?

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anon
what is the pay for a mite or squirt game?
It depends on league/assignor but general terms

Mites: X-Ice: $30 Full Ice $40-$45
Squirts: VHL $34, E9/BHL: $45, Fed/PHL $45-$50
Pee Wee: VHL $38, E9/BHL: $50, Fed/PHL $50-$60

Again these rates are representative, some org's/leagues pay a little more.

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What is the big deal with Mite & Squirt games and the need for 'certification' for basically a play-date for little kids learning to skate? For Town games throw the junior hockey player out there, pay him $70-$80 a game and have him drop the puck. Move the certified coaches to older kids games or higher end tournaments and let's move on. Seems USA Hockey has out thought themselves again.

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it starts at the top with zero programs turning away a check whether they need to add 30 more games to a schedule or not, and goes right through awful parents.

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Could officials start their own union?

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anon
What is the big deal with Mite & Squirt games and the need for 'certification' for basically a play-date for little kids learning to skate? For Town games throw the junior hockey player out there, pay him $70-$80 a game and have him drop the puck. Move the certified coaches to older kids games or higher end tournaments and let's move on. Seems USA Hockey has out thought themselves again.
So your logic is to take a 14 or 15 year old kid that got certified a few weeks ago and have them doing Pee Wee & above games from day 1? I don't see how anything could go wrong in this scenario.

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anon
anon
What is the big deal with Mite & Squirt games and the need for 'certification' for basically a play-date for little kids learning to skate? For Town games throw the junior hockey player out there, pay him $70-$80 a game and have him drop the puck. Move the certified coaches to older kids games or higher end tournaments and let's move on. Seems USA Hockey has out thought themselves again.
So your logic is to take a 14 or 15 year old kid that got certified a few weeks ago and have them doing Pee Wee & above games from day 1? I don't see how anything could go wrong in this scenario.
Your reading comprehension sucks pal.

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Anon
anon
anon
What is the big deal with Mite & Squirt games and the need for \'certification\' for basically a play-date for little kids learning to skate? For Town games throw the junior hockey player out there, pay him $70-$80 a game and have him drop the puck. Move the certified coaches to older kids games or higher end tournaments and let\'s move on. Seems USA Hockey has out thought themselves again.
So your logic is to take a 14 or 15 year old kid that got certified a few weeks ago and have them doing Pee Wee & above games from day 1? I don't see how anything could go wrong in this scenario.
Your reading comprehension sucks pal.
My son 17 reffing a U14 game by himself got totally yelled at by the coach the whole game. Then after the game the parents yelled at him the whole way to his car F.U. Great parents. And you wonder why people don’t want to ref.