Eric- I run a Blacks release w/snap attached to the cable and then the verticle attached to the Blacks then the ball on end of the verticle. This works fine running the the lure 6 to 20 feet behind. On days when that setup is not working well a tricj=k I learned frm Popeye is to use a stacker 3 or 4 feet above the verticle spinners in stead of right close to them.