i tried up higher today for about 1 hr with no luck still seeing lots of fish in the 20 30 ft range.when i use my 14lb test leadcore i put out 8 colors which according to yoadrien sinks about 3 feet per color instead of the five the factory claims.today i hit an unexpected area of 30-35 ft water i waited for the snags they never happened so no surprise yoadriens 3 foot estimate is probably right .ive been catching some nice salmon on the leadcore with flies so they are hitting in about 24-25 feet.ive seen the surface feeding on winni also thanks for the info